Joe Rogan Experience #1101 — Chris & Mark Bell Transcript

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0:00 3, 2, 1. Great to have you guys here. pounds, but I think I can still, I think I can even get stronger now. So what I'm so happy about Do you know? How many people people you know that have artificial hips well i do know that ed cohen who's the greatest power lifter of all time he has two fake hips now right yeah i And then after I got it done, they had botched one side.

2:02 Now they think that the cup comes loose I would recommend getting one done If you only had one day at a time. got really weird shit going on we had a DEXA scan done and dr. Jacob Wilson told It fucking works fantastic. So your body's just designed for it. I mean, I remember my friends benching in the garage, and they were benching the bar, maybe a 10 on each side.

4:43 Your mom can bench 135? Where's she from? He did. Yeah, where she came from. The people who are not really Native American. People get really upset because they're not what they've been rooting for their whole lives like yeah people I was going to say watching pro wrestling I would like to go the wrestler, some clips from last night from in guys' arms because their arms atrophy.

7:22 He's great. and then nerve pain in my elbow. And you get to the point where your shit just shrinks and it doesn't come back. He's the world's strongest man. his side. Whoa, that's Yeah. And you can breathe through your nose and it'll help. He's in Encino and he has this mouthpiece that is essentially, it's a mouthpiece with like a tongue and it presses down like a tongue depressor.

9:37 He got scared. Mouthpiece. I mean, I was. You spilled some coffee there. You know, there's no like, he doesn't have any like real tests or any long-term studies Well, I think there's – Maybe when I switch all the way to just meat all the time, maybe there's a possibility I'm going to eat too much meat. And again, you can have any study say anything.

11:43 They don't really help you that much. They found out that salt is... But if you take too much of it, you will die. This is a work in progress, but the reason I did it was really simple. It's a dietary intervention. so there, some of this might be a placebo effect of me going like, well, I'm on this diet and I because knock you out of ketosis the things that would knock me out of ketosis were just like

14:48 between those two things. But what I realized on the carnivore diet, when I switched over to the only food i have to eat is a hamburger or steak. One of the smartest guys I know. He was saying, like, I think fruit is totally fine, and I think you can have as much as you want. Right. in them and i'm not too sure i'm not a doctor i'm a filmmaker so i start you know

17:40 And not all the numbers are fucking great, but for the most part, it's been pretty healthy. Oh, in terms of like the triglycerides and the cholesterol and stuff like that? So that's something that we have to like look into. Mine was really high on keto. Right. to realize and recognize that um it's just you know this one snapshot in time and we we constantly

19:45 My cholesterol was 190, which is good. like a lot of like meat fat you know i think there's a certain point right because um i i I think that the difference between the grass-fed and the grain-fed, there really isn't a substantial amount of proof of how much better that is. It just tastes the best. Go to Costco Well we didn't spray it the fat green recognized as being organic. I would take whatever that guy says with a fat grain of salt. Yeah, sure, I know.

22:00 You have to pay money for it. I mean, there I mean, excuse me, for plants. It's awesome, man. It could be worse. But I say, like, you know, is the cost benefit? Tough filet? fattier and it just tastes really, those tastes fine to me, you know, but the grass fed steaks, I mean, we're trying to find out about grass-fed and organic and all these different things.

25:25 ultimately i think where our fight is against it's against cravings of all these convenient Yeah. But you know what else you have? But Japan's level is higher than ours. Oh, you see my friend's cat. We grew up eating Oreo cookies, having, you know, a plethora of ice creams and different things in our cabinets. He's into gummy bears and shit like that.

28:19 Like it could be beneficial or it could not be. know Rob wolf right absolutely awesome he's great well one of the things that She thinks it's hilarious. I know. But it does What, she's been hanging out with you? And we definitely vary in our dietary needs and that's what makes it so crazy to try to give people uh any sort of nutritional advice because you know you can't talk

30:21 Like my friend Cam Haynes who runs, like when he's training for these ultra calories of Like, forget the carb window necessarily. Is it you didn't sleep good? And then you have 20, 30 minutes to try to digest it. beneficial. And I think one of the things that we're talking about, one of the benefits of the I used to think about food all the time because I was constantly, you know, eating things with

33:10 And I need something to do to keep my mind off of the shitty movie. Do you still do cheat meals? Just me yeah, just me just steak usually or probably something like that. He eats about four pounds of meat a day. So I do have to try to hit my protein goal each day, though, which is about, about you know i need a certain amount of protein it's a different it's like a different taste salt there's something about the fried food with salt

36:17 Yeah. It's like you do want to celebrate here and there. You're hurting yourself rather than helping improve yourself. cheating on your diet, it's actually like more harmful to you than it is a real celebration. absolutely give yourself a little bit of a break get Get some linguine with clams. I'd say even like on a carnivore diet, there's some things that I eat that I'd consider them like slight cheats,

38:01 Because of the cheese, yeah. But what I meant by that was just that people are dumping tons of dressing on it. made with avocado oil. You talked about that chipotle mayonnaise. But it's a chipotle lime mayo You wouldn't be able to do a carnivore diet on those kind of meats, right? Yeah, people have experienced rabbit starvation. Do butchers typically add fat to wild game, like when they chop it up and stuff?

40:36 Can you live off rabbit meat? I guess that's what a rabbit is, and you can easily survive. And I was just dropping fat like crazy. And I was dropping. But then it came to a point where it stopped. But if you're eating 500 grams of protein or something crazy or even, like, 300 grams of protein, you know, after a while, you're going to get to too much and you're going to have that problem.

42:23 You get tired. Yeah, you're fucking carbs at lunch if you don't have that the day is much more efficient. I get more done Yeah, you get exhausted. of times I get ribeye. Sometimes I eat bacon, eggs, things like that. I put up on my Instagram But even Mark Sisson, who was one that got me into it, You would love it if you switched to spaghetti, right?

44:54 How about bread and butter? You used to go get like a buttered roll in the morning. bread. I make egg sandwiches with their bread. They're fucking good. They don't raise your blood sugar level. I feel better when I eat meat and vegetables. thinner than he's been in 25 years feels great all his autoimmune issues were done i think a lot of So that's crazy.

47:58 People are dealing with a lot of various health issues. full of shit and all these people that are citing science. It's healthy for your brain. What are you eating the meat with? I have had tons of friends, including And then he went back to meat. anything yeah that's why i lean towards balance and that's why i like vegetables but i can't talk and I think that applies to so many different things

51:23 Chocolate shake, please. And it all started with them going to bed too late What are you trying to document? that's the beauty of it. When we shot Bigger, Stronger, Faster, I had no clue how that was I know a lot of people that have had heart disease And I would love to interview him or any of the doctors that are involved in that because, and meet he's crazy the problem is i'm not doing that to him i think like there is a lot of benefits

54:37 Yeah, there's a lot of that stuff that you can get your B vitamins from. I mean, we deviated from them 600 million years ago or something like that. Or Venus fly traps. taste to keep from getting eaten. understand why they still don't feel good. as we started to go through the movie we're like oh i don't know more on carbs like maybe that's Modern industrialized world they call it production Western they call the diseases Western diseases because they didn't used to have these you know

57:29 will have those consequences. One of the That's what it is. And I guess I thought I felt okay, but I really didn't. I mean just stuff like that I'd say that you still have in your diet and not know about. films that can help people find their way and find what's good for them or what works for them. And Oh, way harder. But I was still very sick, and I was very – I was messed up at that time.

1:00:18 everything. And I actually got that from talking to Fabricio Verdum because like he was always And even now I'm just a lot more careful about making absolute statements. was like, they were following the Jewish kosher laws called is where it came from like 1863 is when that like movement i guess started i'm sure i'd they always go after people. And that should be eliminated and shouldn't be a part of modern culture.

1:03:10 fucking chimps. Chimps are omnivores. And for dietary requirements, how your body functions, what the studies show. acids. Recognize that It's not. Pea protein is very good. You're not hurting a chicken. Eat those. the only time cows lactate is when they have a baby yeah right so they keep them in this state And the real problem is people that watch a movie like What the Health and then think, well, that – this is – oh, my God.

1:06:20 Chris Kresser, he's a perfect example. own that restaurant in They're older folks and they they they have their own farm no i would just say my way my ketogenic diet before i went on the carnivore diet was mainly it's just an intervention for now. I feel that I used to think that the best healthiest diet for a human being would be a vegan diet with like three or four ounces of meat thrown in at every meal,

1:08:47 one of those horrible factory farming videos, well i'm almost all vegan well okay well those poor little fucking cows you murder that 40 percent We see it all the time, yeah. And it kind of makes sense that we would need a little bit more of that than maybe your average person. Yeah. If I'm going to get killed or hit by a car or hit by an asteroid.

1:11:15 I mean, I've really got into, I mean, I've always been supplementing with vitamins and I've been getting my blood work done for a couple decades now. And I came up to you and talked to you with Brian Callen and you were talking about diet especially when i was doing comedy clubs on the road so i'd go to whole foods i'd stock up on And if you're a carnivore, just bring some sardines in a can.

1:13:05 So because you guys talk about it so much, D'Agostino, we went and visited Dom D'Agostino They're awesome. And olive oil, yeah. Well, one thing, though, I do have to say, I was eating a can or two a day, and then I found arsenic in my blood. I mean they're down there with all that shit something like that just eat it like that, but I just feel like, um, the, the way that I, the way that they make fish oil and the

1:15:19 I don't know that I don't like it. I don't know how to cook it Do you like onions? That's a different thing. That's a good question. And one of the ways he would do that, they would have a kill and he would plant a liver inside the kill. And it literally worked. Why did the guy do that? So if you look at salmon, Or salmon everywhere. Yeah. like eventually you know if the heart tasted great, they'd be like, yeah, let's do it.

1:19:10 always liked liver and these beef liver desiccated beef liver capsules actually taste like a fart No. Force yourself to eat cow's liver. Yeah. She's eaten beef for sure. The other thing that my kids eat that's really spectacular to watch is they love kimchi, especially my youngest. how resistant they are to them, There's a company called Mother-in-Law's Kimchi.

1:22:03 That's why I was saying like what I'm doing is an intervention. you know, you know? i'm down at about 192. I can't really do it through a business meeting. pound weight vest on, strapped that fucker in, it was less to move around. Maybe you almost want to avoid food to feel faster. very, very strongly about this. Because those 205 guys, a lot of them could be heavyweight.

1:25:21 a lot of meat on and he fights at 185, when he fights at 185, he's also fought at 205 before, I believe. Francis is even more impressive, right? robert e howard see nigerian he is from cameroon i believe right i think that's where he's from You know how fucking strong you would be? out fabrizio verdun was one of the best ever. He knocked out So when, you know,

1:28:01 He has more power in his punch. or 114, and then Francis There you go. and also you know i've been kicking my whole life he's really only been training mma for five years or something. wrestling technique. and I really, You know, I mean, really didn't even start training until he was 28, which is kind of crazy. Alexander Volkov. end of the weight class how do you say his last name volkov right i always get confused because

1:31:11 He's six, seven. When he fought Fabrizio Verdun, I could tell early on these striking exchanges, like, wow, Fabrizio might be in trouble. It's amazing these longer body types have been so good. Say that five times fast. And he was fighting guys like Dan Severn at the time, who was, you know, 265. do everything, that guy. He was really interesting to watch.

1:33:08 And, you know, your brain has like a little computer where it's seeing or, you know, you've got a database, especially me. he fought carlos condit and it was a moment in the condit fight where he stepped forward and But to me, the biggest example of that is Nurmagomedov's wrestling. I was like, oh, this is over. There's only like a couple people home.

1:34:52 He was running around the hotel One of them is they wouldn't let Paul Felder fight. good defense on the ground he felt mean, Felder's fucking well Because Paul might be fighting for the title in a year from now He just fucked up in the rankings. what the fuck else can he do? He's beaten some legit guys. And this is a guy in Al that didn't even prepare for a five-round fight.

1:37:51 That kid's fucking savage. Jump spinning back kicks, is like, what the fuck do I gotta do to this guy? I stood up, and I was screaming and clapping. that, you know, else. And he mauled Al for a lot of the fight. He does, like, jump 360 roundhouse kicks. that he makes world-class fighters question their career. And when I was wrestling, a lot of times we'd share the ring and so on.

1:40:27 this is one of the exactly they do each other. I mean, all the crazy shit that they do, And you're looking at it. It was fractured. Is it on hers? It looks like Jamie's arm. Well, you're athletic. That's fucking crazy. strengthen your neck well wrestling they do a lot of shit that's not great for you i don't think Well, one of the things about it is the range of motion that it gives you.

1:43:21 So I'm constantly pinning things down with my neck and you know In the beginning, you're like, what is this thing? I've always had one. Yeah, looks like it's pushing his head off his fucking shoulders. It's yeah, it's like two of my thighs holding his fucking head up And he actually got – I loved your documentary, Prescription Thugs. Thank you and i've shown it and recommended it to so many people i just think

1:46:13 He was totally normal and now he's all fucked up and it's just he's still messed up. Yeah, he's still fucked up And that kind of thing is crazy. Crow Cop smashed his nose with an elbow, Yeah And meanwhile, I'm high, like super high talking to this doctor the whole time on the pills that he prescribed to me. Now, if you had gotten a surgery tomorrow, like say what if your hip fucked up and they had to go back and redo it, would you take the pain pills?

1:49:05 We don't know how it works. Well, the gut microbiome was really fascinating because it causes inflammation, So he gets off of it. And he just thanked me he's like if it wasn't for Rhonda Patrick And they say if you combine the Advil, the ibuprofen, and the acetaminophen, that it may 29th and that's all about kratom yeah it's all about kratom it's sort of a it's really about my

1:51:39 what we were able to do from that show is like basically you kept kratom legal uh without even why really realistically why calls creative an opioid and warns against using the supplement. I'll tell you why. Because they're cunts, right? I'll tell you why. You know how it works. But they're paying for the testing each time. And so they get busted. We're in the same thing with the Kratom industry, basically.

1:54:17 they put fentanyl in with Kratom. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now I can because I'm a filmmaker, right? Like, the way that they make the health claim that it will cure opioid addiction. And that's a huge claim to make. there's genetics. because I don't have it They disappear. Because of surgery. Yeah, he was, you know, the guy who's like the king of the school, the head of everything.

1:57:45 that were carpenters and laborers and this one guy that i worked with is a great guy but he and health and and trying to figure by people that are addicts you will get screwed over um but you just tell them hey whenever you're I think everything. But I am really proud of him and he's been an idol of mine since, you know i was a little kid he's the reason why i lift he's the reason why i lift

2:00:29 You know how someone, you see them and they just look vibrant? I was like, man, is he telling me the truth? I'm drunk right now. you know that that says like hey I completely turn my life around I'm and came out on the other side healthy. walk across the street at like 545 because my car was parked. I had to park across the street right So, you know, I really do think that, like you said,

2:03:16 I need to help other people in order for me to be fulfilled. I'm married. I got two kids. I don't fuck around. I train. I fucking eat. Try to eat healthy. but like maybe 15 all time or something like not super high. And it definitely needs to be And then opened up his own clinic. Not from my personal experience, but Aubrey's taken it. because there's some

2:06:54 one of the highest rates is legalizing psilocybin. Yeah, and that's for mental health, right? and psilocybin has incredible effects on that but MDMA also does I think that what a lot of people don't understand is when you have an addiction, there's deep-seated things in your mind, in your subconscious And he's actually gone through that protocol. And that guy, he's in there

2:09:19 And there's a lot of people that use them recreationally Do you know that in this country, you have to list euphoria as a side effect to a supplement or a drug, right? euphoria we should be we should be handing those out like crazy yeah it's people are too angry you There's a tree, we could be in a situation where they chop down all the fucking trees that make ecstasy before

2:11:25 It is crazy that they tried to stop the one thing that's safe because it was cutting into the fucking opium market. Kratom helps you in that way. force, just like you hitting these bags and stuff. It feels like almost I would consider it similar to getting out of a hot tub. Could just be getting a lot of blood in the hip flexor. I think running hills and running in sand I think is really, really valuable, even pushing sleds and stuff because it slows us down.

2:13:40 It looks great. Hip circle? It'll help build up that side ass, I like to call it. courses that i run um well i have several but the ones that i run the most the full length of it if I was running flat. And then I saw that Greg Jackson and Mike Winklejohn, when they train their fighters He would run hills until he'd throw up. Take your time. with wheels that you push and you put weights on it so we push the tank, which is kind of an amazing sled with wheels that you push

2:16:39 Did you see that one I got out there? The It's so good. Yeah. But I'm like, just try it or try a different variation of it. have a bike that's on steroids too uh so from australia i forget what the theme is the cross but I don't care what the single rep max is anymore. It doesn't matter, you know? You know my doctor said that lifting didn't cause it it might have sped it up

2:19:46 the rest my other joints that aren't aren't injured are all fine and feel good now you know I haven't had. Everywhere. like, if I'm going to do anything, a doctor's not going to be the one to help me. You know? I'm still walking now. I don't have any pain. Yeah, I should go back to him and say hey, you know word. But big, I can't, I can't pick something up off the floor. It hurts. Yeah. And I was trying

2:22:26 yeah he's got insurance you from moving but you weren't able to squat, bench, deadlift. Yeah, it goes away when I, it was at this like losing weight. And then when I, um, Yeah, you know what? have to take like a pre yoga class no no no you just take a yoga class and you do your best like but she's courageous because she's every bit of 450, 500 pounds.

2:25:02 Like you're not going to be able to get into those positions initially, but if you keep showing up. Right. heavy or squat heavy. Not just the exercise way. Ski erg is a great way. The fastest, And you can warm them up faster just by getting the upper body to move. Get your body heated up. Yeah. The intensity is so low. We walk every single day. It's going to be all dicks now.

2:27:30 Is this like some inside joke about eggplants? Yeah, for sure. I'm so old. It's not hard. brutal that's the hardest fucking exerciser isn't it well in uh karate they would have you stand at a horse dance yeah long periods Well, I didn't. Is it Will Smith Jr. again? that guy on all right here's the trailer is on some youth shit. Oh, look at this guy. Look at Cobra Kai. Let me see that. Strike hard.

2:29:34 No, I don't give a shit. Get to work. can get in a brawl, and then you've never seen anybody fight, and then see what they look like the next day. Your body's dealing with all the... Smashing Machine was a fucking awesome movie. And they found another. He'd say before he goes out to the cage every time, he's like, But look at that. Dan Bobish. I mean,

2:32:37 I mean, You had Pat on last week, and I actually wanted to do – I still want to do a film with Pat, a scripted film. It's an amazing story. even heard of that before you ever heard of that No. You know how fucking tough you have to be to deal with the kind of pain where your neck When you talk to him, he's there. John Wertheim, Sports Illustrated. He wrote a book on statistics and how they sort of point shave and all that stuff like that in basketball.

2:34:54 What's it going to be on? route and then um you know you let it play on itunes for a while and there's a there's a whole How? documentary is they do really well so with a food documentary you have a chance to really make a made a great film he took it and made it into something really good so i think that was cool had to see, although it was a really great film, I think, you know where it wasn't the thing that everybody had to see,

2:37:43 but to get it so confirmed where you have the guy that did it, and he's running from the Russian mob, or whatever you want to call them, and they're trying to fucking kill him, and now he's in hiding. How so? The Russians knew who he was. He's going to get killed because of this. Yeah. knew the Russian guy would talk. You have to be really clear when you say that.

2:39:44 ride his bike in unbeknownst to him, of the that was in the Olympics and then the other thing and they go back and forth And everybody kept saying that. Like I heard it from like four different people that are experts. uh without a shit without a shadow beyond a shadow of a doubt that that's the truth, but I'm suspicious of that guy, I should say, and suspicious of our system.

2:42:04 So when you say we, do you think there's a state-sponsored American doping program like they have in Russia? There's got to be more than one guy that's like, you know, do you have a name for it yet? spectacular results yeah i mean there's a lot of there's a lot of evidence behind it you know and most weight loss, best health marker improvement, Atkins diet, at the end of the day, the Atkins diet basically won.

2:43:43 Yeah. But he died by hitting his head, right? so I went to look into it disease and it's congenital. They're born How was he and he was an old guy? He's in his 70s. I believe maybe late 60s find it so pull pull pull up the He's not in shape. He's 72 and he died. But here it says the medical examiner's office a year after his death showed that Atkins had a history of heart attack.

2:46:38 Oh, that's interesting. And if you're 258 pounds at 72 years old 258 pounds at his death. There's a lot of people that, look, ice cream is tempting. one diet, people live longer agree with you quality of life like if i'm here you know if i'm gonna that was a big yeah but it wasn't really the um the goal of it it wasn't the goal to get he also I'd imagine.

2:49:39 They make like chocolate caramel. Yeah, it's all fake Whole foods, absolutely. you're like, All right, gentlemen. If you want to come check out the gym. I let people just That's okay Yeah. We'll be back tomorrow with Boss Rootin'.