Annie Jacobsen

Date: 2019-05-16 | Duration: 2h 41m

Category: Paranormal & Conspiracy, True Crime & Justice

Episode Overview

Annie Jacobsen dives deep into the hidden world of government secrets, focusing on the mythology and reality surrounding Area 51, covert military operations, and the shadowy realm of assassins. She unpacks the origins of Area 51’s mystique, discussing early Cold War disinformation campaigns designed to outmaneuver Soviet propaganda. Jacobsen sheds light on the famous Bob Lazar story, emphasizing her belief in his honesty while exploring the blurred lines between classified military technology and alien conspiracy theories. She also reveals fascinating details about secret aircraft development, like the decades-long creation of the F-117 stealth fighter, illustrating the ongoing race to maintain technological superiority. The conversation shifts to Jacobsen’s latest book, *Surprise Kill Vanish*, where she profiles elite CIA operatives and assassins, offering rare insights into the moral complexities and brutal realities of covert warfare. Through interviews with veterans like Billy Waugh and Felix Rodriguez, she highlights the human element behind clandestine missions, including the ethical dilemmas these operatives face. Additionally, Jacobsen touches on DARPA’s cutting-edge biohybrid projects and the military-industrial complex’s relentless drive for innovation, underscoring the uneasy balance between national security and technological advancement. Throughout, she navigates these topics with a clear-eyed approach, inviting listeners to consider the often unseen forces shaping global power.

About Annie Jacobsen

Annie Jacobsen is an investigative journalist and bestselling author known for her deep dives into national security and classified government operations. Her latest book, Biological War, marks a departure from her previous historical accounts by presenting a fictional future-tense scenario based on Pentagon war games and interviews with officials preparing for biological catastrophes. Jacobsen has become a prominent voice in exposing the proliferation of high-level biosafety labs worldwide and the existential threats posed by biological weapons in an era of advancing biotechnology.

Key Moments

– Area 51
– Black Propaganda
– UFO Phenomena
– Military Disinformation
– CIA Operations
– Assassination Techniques
– Operation Paperclip
– Nazi Scientists
– Military Technology
– DARPA Research
– Drone Warfare
– Cold War Espionage
– Psychic Phenomena
– Moon Landing Mysteries
– Military Industrial Complex
– Facial Recognition
– Neuromorphic Machines
– Ethics of War
– Historical Archives
– Intelligence Community
0:00:00 – Introduction and opening remarks
0:02:30 – Discussion on Area 51 mythology
0:04:55 – Military disinformation and cover stories
0:08:15 – Bob Lazar story and its controversies
0:10:20 – Credibility of insider sources
0:15:10 – Claims about altering people to look like aliens
0:16:33 – Introduction to new book on assassins
0:19:54 – CIA's secret operations at Area 51
0:21:16 – Development of stealth aircraft
0:25:33 – Orson Welles' War of the Worlds broadcast impact
0:27:21 – Korean War pilot experiences
0:33:50 – Kill lists and euphemisms in warfare
0:38:14 – Military budget and secret operations
0:40:37 – Tier one operators and military choice
0:43:24 – CIA paramilitary operations in Bolivia
0:47:30 – Human limb regeneration research
0:56:29 – Comparison of intelligence work to cubicle jobs
1:07:38 – Mystery of the moon's creation
1:13:16 – Ed Mitchell's space experiences and UFO claims
1:20:21 – Wernher von Braun and NASA leadership
1:22:27 – Nazi scientists relocated to Argentina
1:34:20 – German archives and Nazi family histories
1:41:25 – Nitrogen fixation and Nazi scientific contributions
1:44:45 – World War II scientists' moral questions
1:49:05 – Operation Paperclip and post-war deals
2:04:37 – DARPA's artificial brain research
2:08:59 – DARPA brain chips in moths experiment
2:12:36 – Military use of robotics and lethality
2:15:26 – Eisenhower's warning on military-industrial complex
2:20:51 – Civilian casualties from drone warfare
2:23:12 – Challenges in drone strike statistics
2:26:31 – Surveillance and privacy concerns
2:28:34 – 9/11 and its impact on military policy
2:33:57 – Cold War early warning systems
2:36:19 – Closing remarks and gratitude

Transcript Excerpt

Starting point is 00:00:00 Now, we're live. 3, 2, 1, boom. Hello, Annie. Starting point is 00:00:29 is stuff that you want to know about very few people know about and every now and then a Starting point is 00:01:21 And it was all about beating Stalin at his black propaganda Starting point is 00:01:57 I mean this is like a – this is a tough opening. Starting point is 00:02:10 I'm going to make you earn that. Starting point is 00:02:19 But I want to just, yeah. Starting point is 00:02:30 I mean, I've spent five books dealing with the mythology of Area 51, which is phenomenal in its own way. Starting point is 00:03:16 Yes. Starting point is 00:03:34 tells the story of receiving that craft at Area 51 in 1951, Starting point is 00:04:18 So you're talking about four years after the supposed crash. Starting point is 00:04:27 Yes. Starting point is 00:04:55 begins to work with disinformation versus cover stories and all of that. But going back to answer Starting point is 00:05:34 Well, even if they weren't aliens, right? Starting point is 00:06:09 But there was no definitive proof that there was something going on over there other than some weird VHS footage of things flying around in the desert that seemed to be behaving in a way that modern aircrafts are not totally capable of. Starting point is 00:06:45 what the military is capable of in the air, Starting point is 00:07:10 story what's it really there's some fascinating aspects to it but one of the most fascinating is Starting point is 00:07:47 And there is a campaign to discredit that person. Starting point is 00:08:15 then the Bob Lazar story is that when Bob Lazar said, Starting point is 00:09:10 Well, the source was a major player in the Manhattan Project. Starting point is 00:09:27 He recently died and he did give me permission to tell his full story after he died. Starting point is 00:10:20 I don't believe he was lying whatsoever. Starting point is 00:10:52 War when we- Starting point is 00:11:33 So these are two ...

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