Joe Rogan Experience #1943 — Joel Turner Transcript

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0:00 the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day yeah what you've done with your your shot iq, and so let me explain to people that don't understand this. To make a system where you you have very clear He's driving now, so that's scary as hell. So he won Vegas at 15. Just you can see it in their eye. Now let's explain what that means.

3:34 You're shooting a penny and you're shooting it 60 times in a row. And then this year he did it again. fifth, sixth, whatever, they get to shoot out on the stage against somebody. So they actually get to zero their bow because the lighting's different and it's huge. I mean, you're trying to hit this And it's funny, because you can see him. And so he comes and he shoots those two 10s, not an X.

5:34 And it was just donut after donut after that. we're just looking at the guy. Right. And he's like, I got a Daisy 880 power line by God god that is some highfalutin stuff right Yeah, so now I know that that's the core problem in shooting, right? And by the age of eight, I'm locked completely off a target, meaning I would draw the bow back is in your body, right? it's that sudden release of energy that

9:14 So then I started bow hunting at 14 years old and not doing well. And I got to shoot stuff every day with an air rifle. and you would rush the shot. So there I was, then I decided to become a cop. My older brother was a I bought a 1911 that's got a much shorter trigger stroke on it. And then I got on the SWAT team, same time, 2003. most gunfights, most people will tell you they never even see their sights. So I had this recruit that we call,

13:22 eight years younger than me or whatever. And I get on the driver's side of his pistol. I'm looking at his finger. I'm like, okay, I want you to press right through the 10 ring and the target. He's like, sir, that scared the crap out of me. I'm just a simple guy, right? That's a big word, right? That is just shy of impossible. that singular minded? And that was the big question. So that's what I took from neurolinguistic programming. And so I wrote I wrote what is called the mental mechanics and instructors guide. And it had kind of the sequence of drills and how to get somebody's mind into this. And there was this there was a guy at the academy that we did not like each other. And for some reason, he was a kinesthesiologist or almost. He was a

17:20 consciousness into an aim. And let's explain open and closed loop systems. But in shooting shooting the only thing built for. But consciously we know like, oh, I didn't control that one. And then it's like, well, I it's too fast and you're not doing anything to mitigate all the other muscle contractions that your hinge, you're working that thing slow enough, and you're concentrating on the movement,

20:50 because there are moments in the shot when autopilot is going to try to take it, right? into shooting. It had never truly been put into shooting. So he kept asking me, what's this He understood it, but he didn't understand the mental portion of it. I'm glad you brought up martial arts because martial arts is closed loop when you're learning it. And you're staying in this sort of like empty zen mind space where you're just trying to like utilize the techniques and know you know what to do.

22:58 Right? a little bit, and then he shoots, right? Well, then it comes to the game winner. He spins the It does, yeah. Yeah. And you can still miss because it's fucking hard. How so? So 2009 comes along. It was the most gorgeous arrow flight. I shot him at eight yards, shot him right in the heart and it was raining and it was right before It's still a mystery to me because I never blueprinted it. Right. So December 14th, 2014,

28:03 anxiety and all the craziness going on. And that was the first time that I'd ever, it ever meant more to me to stay in the shot process But because I'd upped my presence so much world. Keep pulling, keep pulling, keep pulling, keep pulling. My buddy gives me numbers. Here I go. So sitting in that tree stand in December of 2014, that's when I said, I got to figure this out. And that's when I, that's what I figured out was the decisions. I mapped the decisions it took to keep myself present so that I could concentrate.

31:27 The blueprint is this. I go? And what you need to be thinking about is nothing other than that shot activation movement. on your shot activation movement that you could have stopped it anywhere within it? And if you They're powered by like, you sp just look at these spazz out because I'm in control of the whole thing from top. Right. know this more people know this now because of you but I remember when I

35:42 That's like pool. going through your pre-shot routine perfectly, pulling back on the bow, I don't get target panic anymore. Their career does this, right? And it's just it's completely opposite of how things actually work in your mind. but they're sensory receptors in your skin cells that give stimulus. cell, the mechanoreceptors in the hair cells of the ear. It sends the stimulus to the brain. The

39:26 We all want to, oh, traditional archery is just, you know, Right. You shoot your arrow through a chronograph. You get your number. So I'm at full draw, and I have a 90-pound bow, so it's a lot of weight. But the Neil guy runs like nothing's wrong with it. with rifles, we have the I had snuck away. He's only 130 yards away, it's a perfect shot. And they don't run like Neil Guy run.

43:54 Oh, fuck. and it went out the front shoulder. And they shoot their bow and they're punching the trigger maybe just a little bit, right, in practice. We're using those as the medium for practice of these very mental things. You use your bow to practice your concentration, right? time go to the range and they practice their own failure. Even professional archers do the same

46:50 I mean, I had at two weeks old, I had him in a front pack and, you know, shooting. At three years old. That's all his mind knows is to brace for impact, right? for them. So from about three years old to about nine years old, that's what Bodhi shot was a But now it's just, you know what's happening in Bodhi's mind and you can see it in his eyes. Once you put the pin on there, it's done.

49:41 But they are so infatuated with it. because you're going to go open loop on the trigger. If your thought process is in your aim, no matter what. It's never – it's not actually there anymore though. on a Vegas face target, if it breaks in the nine and it is a nine, it lands in the nine, then your He's not that steady, right? They hit it. They're just calm.

53:30 don't have to have much of a movement. I mean, it's so light when you actually work on their archers. They're so good at what they do and they have sort of decided to eliminate some of that anxiety by having a very hot trigger and just getting it so they know they can get that pin It's just a different way of doing it, right? nine it's going to be a nine because it can't get back to the middle fast enough with how they have it weighted.

55:49 If you go open loop on the trigger with that, who knows? like I have to stop practicing sometimes to recreate the movements and the mindset that you need in order to do it efficiently and accurately and then do it again and again and again. If you see a big bull in the woods and it's the 16 yard gap in between two trees There's so, it's such a mind fuck, like almost nothing else I've ever done.

58:01 Uh-huh. It's like no other thing that I've ever done. right? Like if you're getting ready for a, I don't know, getting ready for a presentation, Getting them to talk themselves through it, getting them to make the decisions. What's fascinating to me is it's made my rifle shooting so much better. points of contact, it's so much easier. be thinking about that coffee if i'm not that audience knows it they smell it they're animals

1:01:44 And you're like, uh- and like uh-oh uh-oh Yeah. that's where, you know, you're a very determined person just in the way that you live your life. Holy mackerel. So when I do training on the team, it's like, you guys don't understand when you see, Yeah. So I got a SWAT call out of a hostage rescue. There was an unarmed barricaded subject So I turn my flashlight on and it's blood.

1:05:52 with this guy and he's not really making a lot of sense. He wants to talk to his girlfriend, Yeah. Well, we don't, I mean, he's already done that to his cousin, right? I mean, stabbed him in the face and the legs and the arms, big K-bar knife. It was not a good situation. So So I'm looking at this window. girl, drop the knife, you know, get him on the commands.

1:08:09 I'm the sniper team leader. through it with the nut all the way buried. And this bolt was We were given a command to get off the ladder so I could get up there and evaluate the situation. And I'm shooting my and I'm evaluating what's going on, and I'm thinking to myself, It's four and a half power. But I'm thinking, I got the wrong tool. right so don't want to do that right in precision environment, right? So I'm like,

1:12:00 but I also knew that you got to aim two and a half inches higher than where you want to hit I can't see anything because he had it set for a white light shot. this isn't my rifle, right? So now I got to find the button that dims the red dot. So I'm messing around with this thing and the whole team is outside and they're watching And they're thinking, what are you doing, Turner?

1:13:50 Pop, pop, pop underneath my feet. a year earlier, it was 364 days after I made that decision in that tree stand, Like I'm going, I want to put it in his eyeball, but I don't, I can't see it, right? So I'm just And then when I'm working on rifle stuff, it's kind of an audible exhale. right? And he's, so now he's back and it's too close again. So I'm like, I'm waiting.

1:16:51 bounce ideas off of, like, cause I'm not getting in gunfights every day. So I go, Hey man, but did they blueprint it? I know a lot of bow hunters just bow hunt a lot, successful rifle hunters, successful bow hunters, and they all say something at full draw. You know, when you look at these people, like, how did you figure- Oh, I don't really want to tell you.

1:19:20 when so he's shooting he's not going well I hope it did right he's like That's the thing, man. they have no idea what to do. And you see world the walls just close in on them i'll never forget this um this i mean this is a clearly untrained person we were at the comedy And then when the bus passes, he's out cold. where he's an untrained fighter, It's, it's those, the heart beating, the adrenaline pumping and all that stuff.

1:22:44 And they leave their face exposed and they throw technique out the them. They'll just do stuff because they just want to, and they leave their face exposed, You have to be to yourself. You have Well, yeah, that's what I talk about. Well, it's too deep, right? It's intangible. When you talk Like in SWAT training, a lot of times we have to run 100 meters and shoot 100 meters, standing

1:25:31 But he didn't have his job defined, right? Nobody had actually defined the problem. But it's putting it in that package so that you can define your job and then how do you attack it, right? Yeah. You know that you're going to roll to the click in your hinge. And then there's this thing that people do where the moment the shot goes off, you're like, what the fuck is wrong with me? I remember being there, man. I remember I missed

1:28:42 And one of the things they do, they work on the mechanics by blind bailing. and you're just going through the mechanics of the shot You know? Yeah. some people are like, well, as soon as I, and this is even in my course, and I have to take this out Well, your subconscious just won that shot. It's like, oh, if I get Joe to shake and recognize that, he'll bail out of the shot. Your subconscious does not want you to create an explosion in your body.

1:31:49 like, oh, the archery instructors are going to lose their mind when they hear like, oh my God, And he tells you exactly what's going through his head. He says, oh, man, my pin was jumping from red to red. It is, but it's just the way it works. Right. And so just cutting to the chase and cutting out all But I feel like that could be, And concentrating on those movements in the mind and talking yourself through the movements rather than

1:34:56 And it's very strange how the mind will sabotage you, but it just will. Exactly. No. You know, it's so interesting that people have been bow hunting for so long, and then So you pull, and it's set to a few pounds over the But it would be way better if you knew what the process was what's going on in your mind as you're doing it if you Don't look like an asshole.

1:37:53 archer out there that shoots attention activated release. Right. Because it's not the most accurate I'll take that tension-activated release and I'll screw that sucker down where it won't go off, right? okay. And they kind of timidly take the safety off. I'm like, okay, now I got to do is pull. Well, I was thinking about pulling and then there's always a, and then I started thinking

1:39:36 Then say, here I go to up your presence and then talk yourself through moving. They're just shaking like crazy, but it doesn't go off. What were you saying? And I was using attention-activated release with your principles. fucking elk yes he just got done fighting this elk and he moves and he moves broadside And it's helped me tremendously. It's made such a big difference to know that you have to control those movements

1:41:59 Usually. Pull. this release, I can go closed loop on this easier. I can evaluate the movement, the pressure increase They don't do it your way, so they get upset that you're teaching this, I already got it figured out. wanted to figure it out. And then I had these sounding boards of, you know, my determination just keep their shit together sure that's a personality yeah and it is like these very calm

1:45:19 Right. but Huberman was talking about that. because it's just a yellow line on the floor. So much pressure. And I invite it, right? Right? How in the world do you practice So what is the specific thing that you do? We may not have enough time for that. board of bow hunting, the job of, of tactical work. That's, that's not a, it's a, it's a rare you've

1:50:25 And not just with that, but also with pistol shooting. Yeah. We've got to go this way. thing that you want to do. Yeah. It's powerful stuff, man. It's powerful stuff, man. It really, Either you do it or you don't. I do this? Should I do that? What's the problem, right? Let's find out what is the actual problem? I just didn't know where to put it. That was my why. I knew that was going to happen. I mean, it's probably going to happen. So you have

1:54:46 other things? And I've had people tell me they use it for presentations. I've had them tell me in that movement? But you got to know how to translate this. And it comes, you know, guides how do you transfer this to a client instantly, right? When they're losing their mind, how do Because I find myself using it in other things where I'm in high pressure situations

1:57:33 season just for, it was a particular type of bow that I wanted to shoot a deer with. So, but But a lot of people pick it up for the wrong reasons. Yeah. And I've harvested lots of critters now, and I'm constantly using them for concentration practice. with compound bows and high tech equipment that he could do it with old school. But I'm shaking like a dog, crapping tacks.

2:00:44 and then lift it I've come up with all kinds of stuff, tab sear, grip sear, internal triggers, feather to nose, all this stuff. when you want the surprise shot, when you're shooting traditionally, But you have to release that as well. The mechanoreceptors send the signal to your brain. But it can't get in the middle of that. bow. They brought them together and then they grab onto the arrow. So their arrow was on the right

2:03:43 So it's not on the left side of the bow like a compound bow? It's on the right side of the bow. fingers, it's... if you notice, it's not narrowed at all. So there's, I mean, it's so cool how they did that stuff they are so much smarter than Right. The thumb ring that they had? Yes. There's been so many different holds on a string and it was all based on

2:07:01 Like they would time the shot so that as the horse was leaping in the air, there was less And when you're... So there's one, that bone one right there that you see there on the right-hand side. Because they consider it a release aid. So you can shoot a leather one. But you can't use one of those bone ones. Yeah, you can't that's a leather one there. Are you allowed to use a leather one? Yeah. So you can shoot a leather one.

2:08:33 It's pretty cool. Yeah, the Ottomans, the Turks. I mean, it's how archery started as far as I know. So I just, I love It's like a triangulation-type aim. you can draw back and you're like, that's going to do it right there. And they just drop in. It's It's not, I mean, it is a martial art, but for a lot of people, there's something about, and I think this with a compound bow as well, there's something about the concentration that's required to shoot a great shot that clears your mind of everything else. It's almost like a cleaning, like a cleaning of the subconscious

2:11:32 Yeah. Right? Like instantly. and I watch them shoot, and they punch the trigger their first time they're doing They just want them to feel good about hitting the target. you know i know guys that that are you know sort of uh aspiring bow, and I see them practice, Good job, but we've got to talk. like you would a fine rifle trigger, then more power to you, right?

2:14:52 no matter what the movement is it's got to be closed loop and it can't move the head of the Lee Lukoski, he has a Carter Target 4, and he loops his hand around the trigger, and he makes a fist. you get a lot of resistance to this? Do you find that people are upset at some of the things you where you get these determined people that make decisions and they

2:17:18 Whereas if you get them in control, then archery becomes this really cool thing that you can do and you can be really Right. Yeah. So there's people that want to meet that desire, and some of them are just unqualified. very specific about each individual fine motor skill that's involved in this. And I'm like, Because your program is so comprehensive.

2:20:52 By talking, right? So, and like, I put it in this analogy of the shot control house. So if you, if you are about to shoot this shot perfectly or not at all. But that was a bailout. Remember the letdown thing, The first room that you walk into is the aiming room. the damn thing on the target and then watch it to keep it. So don't linger in the aiming room,

2:23:42 of that room. You don't have control of what happens in that room, but man, it sounded so fun in there, right? So your mind wants to go back in there and check on knowing that you're going to get burnt? For most people, it takes a loved one in that room, thing going to go off? Oh my God, it's a seven by seven. I'm going to be a hero. Cam Haynes is watching me, right? You've got all these thoughts that are coming in and you can only walk through

2:25:49 and you got to step up on the porch again, right? All the doors close in the house. So you got to Because when I shoot in front of you, I don't have to go, okay, I'm going to shoot this shot No. other things in life. It's so important to understand what's going on in your mind and how your mind is trying ShotIQ.com is your website.