Joe Rogan Experience #1992 — Oliver Stone Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. about the dangers of nuclear power. And I love the analogy that you made in the film Three Mile Island and how crazy it was. There's all these stars and celebrities and they're doing concerts. We've got to stop nuclear We cover all that in the film and you've got to go back to the beginning and you've got to go back to Marie Curie

2:24 And we, in a sense, we took it like energy was not nuclear bomb. In the contrary, a bomb is very difficult to build. And it takes It's incredible, the stuff that happens. And they continued on. Not one Japanese. And the generators were flooded beneath the water. And we mustn't dismiss them. Fukushima was, if you look at Well, we have shots in the film showing they're taking tests on all the Japanese citizens.

7:08 There's radiation in this room. which is we just love to get terrified about headlines, I need to educate myself. they built it, and they built it with government backing, not like the U.S., where we kind of back it, but we don't really back it. So as a result, well, China's really cutting out now because they current yeah so they're the leader right now in it. Well, no.

9:54 China has you got a system working out. Yeah, Jamie's the wizard look at him over there. He's the best This whole thing is exactly how you lay it out in the film. And they have to get off the coal. We showed a documentary it was highlighting That's great. But there could be more coal. I was just like, what the fuck are you saying? atmosphere, CO2. But gas is considered, they're using gas everywhere. It seems like a modern thing. They say, well, renewables, which is solar and

13:11 It's a real clean energy. You could put it in a Walmart. They're concrete and steel. the figures, but you can see that it's a ridiculous fear given, compared to what? Given The radioactivity went all over northern Europe. And they came up with a number of about 4,000 possible deaths from cancer after Chernobyl. Yeah, it was great as tension and all that.

16:58 Nobody said, it's a good thing, as opposed to, it's this horrible beast. You know, all the good things that happen, they happen against the desire for profit. We went to Davos with a film and they're taught here. So, in other words, people know about it, but they— dangerous that's that's the way the reaction so now they're building in the I want one of those.

19:54 Cooking. And don't forget agriculture. It's something to consider because when you're talking about ammonium, they use the fertilizer, the fertilizer, they use the fertilizer for, you know, to grow food and an industrialized farm and it's problem yeah fertilizer but i can't comment on that yeah it's really interesting stuff it's How is that possible?

23:45 This is 20-some years now. And it just hasn't worked, and nobody admits it. that's proven itself, proven itself for so many years. And yet nobody, it doesn't even get talked Same thing was true with airplanes. population continues to grow and we're doing things the same way, whatever our output is now Their demand is enormous for coal. And that's one of the great things in the film.

26:44 the great thing about those is they become viral. Yeah. So it's going to take someone who's willing to step outside of what the polling would show, And we'll come late to the game and we'll say, well, we've got to build more and more and more nuclear That's great. And a lot of the older generation, they confuse, who confuse nuclear energy with nuclear bomb are about war. And a lot of the older generation they confuse, who confuse

29:00 If it's handled correctly, built That's insane. I don't know how many years, 50 years, sea that's powered entirely by nuclear power and it can go for 50 years or whatever it is. Japan did, Korea did. They built one type of reactor and they built it consistently. But you have to do it consistently. They built, they sent a barge. It absorbs radiation.

32:42 We can't lie. We can't say, no, we're not going to tell you That was the one that Howard Hughes the things that we absolutely know go wrong with just transportation, just driving. It's incredible. I mean, they are smart people. It's a hybrid. 500 acres, 495,000 panels. Like, whatever that area is, like, what have you done to that area? The turbines look gross too.

36:11 It looks like we're tricking ourselves into thinking that this is like 100% clean. So it depends what they want to do with their land. It's more damaging in the short term. That's what they sell themselves as, and they advertise it. Right there. really weird. I think they banned it for new home construction. Yeah, because if that stuff really does lower IQs, isn't that one of the things that they've discussed?

39:21 everywhere yeah well i i wonder about my own brain. Didn't say anything about cognitive function? like what would that take to get rid of all of the things that are polluting the environment, all of the things that are putting out particulates, coal and all that stuff, replace it with nuclear? From 2040 to 2050, it's going to be a huge run, a huge race, and we can do it.

41:08 So does India, by the way. That's pretty fast. I really do. We show images in Brazil of Brazilians going to black sand beaches to absorb the radiation that is good for the body. as Crick and Watson found out, of course, It's a wonderful system we have of DNA. Well, we just have scary stories about radiation. Well, these little dots collect light. and it's also from direct contact through it through the through this paint with

45:34 Idaho National Laboratory. I bought the book, read it. It was not an easy film to make. It's just very important to do. and I'm really glad you did it. Eisenhower was on the right path. to a degree that was not necessary. Do you think people exaggerated it because they had their own And he still believes in it, that he's right. But there wasn't also no one to counter him. Like who would counter him back?

48:54 Well, that's the point of maturity. Yes. That's where you have to get smarter. don't look at it correctly. And you're certainly not something that is a very nuanced and complicated issue like nuclear power. But she could mean a lot if she understood this and came out against. They're smart people, and they're courageous enough to just start talking about it.

51:16 Dennis Swite. He's the head of the program there. He's fusion plasma. It's beautiful, There's also some research that's being done on utilizing the spent fuel cells and utilizing the waste and converting it into batteries, correct? That's why they call it a breeder reactor because it breeds more. U.S. side, we have all these smaller... We have GE working with Hitachi, which is a Japanese company.

53:26 It unveiled was a nuclear... Oh, I thought... And most of it is sourced through unethical ways. You know, we're talking about it. And if they really can make batteries out of nuclear waste, well, now we have a – It's a mixture, yeah. so scientists must combine the cells in huge numbers in order to regularly power large devices, raising the cost a great deal,

56:25 He's really done a lot of exploration. I think we should be very proud of using nuclear because it was a tremendous discovery by Marie Curie. Good point. and it's uh like even if it's like pitch blackout all of the our indicators are all lit up permanently You have radiation on your wrist. He says electrons in it just don't penetrate. But I love the fact

58:37 That's what the Yeah, there's a company called Ball, and all of their watches use tritium. I know the time in my head. They've made it essential. is I'm always worried about losing it. Yeah. So no one's gonna rip you off from American Express I don't even have to have my key. It lets me in. That's true, too. I am not. to put in to get a bachelor's degree and then a master's or a PhD,

1:02:10 You prove it with your degree. I've done 20 fiction films, feature films and 10 documentaries. And you want to get out in the field. this matter, it was, of course, what do they mean? This is confusing climate bullshit. I think human beings are doing a lot. But how much are we fucking it up? That's all not a nice small town in a country town Yeah, Jesus Christ.

1:05:05 Oh, it's incredible. and they're just driving down the road watching this it's fucking wild do you find it Oh, yeah. We don't really know. And before that, was there another explosion? they realized that these are hypernovas i never heard of that yeah they're they they destroy solar Yeah. crazy infinity is. So I think that if we imagine that we're the only ones, that seems silly. It just doesn't even make sense.

1:08:22 that have had so many fake stories it shot off at an insane rate of speed and stopped at their cat point which is the point where they technology that might be available to the the probably just like the high-end military Maybe they've gotten past the necessity of biological life. And it's incredible because the scientists that laid the groundwork for this documentary, they've been studying this particular group of chimpanzees for 30 years.

1:11:23 And they enact in war. primates. Why would you do any Okay, hold on I think if alien life forms do exist, I think the most likely strategy is the one that we use on higher primates on Just can't ever like raise your voice Let us know occasionally that we're not alone I think I would do that if I was an alien. Oh, yeah, sure. Oh, yeah. they can camouflage themselves

1:14:56 he used to have a show is there anything you could emulate as a human being but this shows some footage of octopuses They make themselves look like coral. That's pretty wild. There's a video of a—they had this—see, Google octopus kills shark in aquarium. which are also similar. But they changed their texture. we would be like, what the fuck We turn them into sushi.

1:17:49 I don't know why. Chicken, I don't eat at all, but eggs is different. That's the only karma, right? Turned you off to what? you yeah a lot of these things are what they're doing is basically they're asking you to take a I guarantee you monster energy drinks. happens when people eat nothing but grass-fed meat from and fruit and vegetables from an organic

1:20:28 Yeah. an abundance of food, just too much food. Oh, my God. Yeah, I think people also learned, too. Yeah. like David Goggins. That would be ridiculous, but you want them to be able to build up and can, I know people that are very happy I believe the people that say they don't need to exercise. get around and that sucks. And when you can't get around, then you would be willing to do anything to get it motion again.

1:23:43 Much less. And you go back and you check their charts from 1980s, and you find that from 1980 to 2000, they were accurate. I think the new argument is that, Whatever we're doing, really looked into that much. with a guy at Jiu Jitsu how much work No one can. stop and close coal plants. You don't like those people. You think those people are annoying.

1:27:05 No. If you've ever cleaned your wheels, if you ever have like a nice car and you want to clean your wheels, there's all this black shit in there. Yep, same thing. At least I don't think it does. and fade less as they heat up. paint normal road dirt from driving around yeah that's what that's what I've found just from Like civilizations collapse. And it's going to happen to us biologically too.

1:30:50 anxiety, in my experience, with me, at least. You can. due to its K40 content. Yeah. Isn't that like getting an x-ray? You'd be exposed to about 0.035... and MRIs. At the dentist's office, they get really nervous. I don't know how to. They started using shields in 76. I'm trying to figure out like how to The springs that they go to. levels range from about 20 to 260 mgy for people in hot areas so and they don't seem to suffer any

1:35:28 Yeah. Yeah, he's doing it. old older older it's an M. Night Shyamalan Oh, we're going everywhere. We're going June 6th, which is next week. And we have a great foreign, controversial stuff on Netflix. Why are they scared of that? Even Game Because it's controversial. But they have a lot of controversial stuff on Netflix. Well, that's the problem. Is it a business decision?

1:38:08 Is that what it is? Google Play. We've got a real solution. Can do. I don't want to run it. things i i in growing up with the fear of three mile island and chernobyl i i was terrified of Be it's true. It would happen. Hmm Yeah. There are a lot of strange theories out there. Yes, you saw it. is what it's called it's not an impending Why not? I definitely want to watch it

1:42:35 if I'm going to do that I generally don't It's fun. It's the only sport that I really watch on a regular basis. You should. There's a whole lot of story. And the other team, Boston Celtics, they've been around forever. Wow. The Trojans or the, or the, uh, the Trojans or the, uh, Greeks. I mean, you kind of have to know thought Lomachenko should have got the decision and he didn't get the decision. It's very unfortunate

1:45:58 And watching something like that, to me, it's so overwhelming. Do you have time for it? Where's your time coming from? which is more like a fantasy life. It's good to sit around and just be alone with your thoughts sometimes. You're always looking at a television. Except when you're asleep. Seven a night seems to be functional. and it's always a pleasure to talk to you.

1:48:54 Thank you.