Josh Dubin & Bruce Bryan

Date: 2023-06-01 | Duration: 2h 15m

Episode Overview

Josh Dubin and Bruce Bryan share a powerful conversation about the harsh realities of the American prison system, the journey toward redemption, and the urgent need for reform. Bruce recounts his wrongful conviction for homicide in 1994 and the brutal conditions he endured in some of New York’s toughest prisons, including Sing Sing and Attica. He reflects on the psychological toll of incarceration, the systemic biases that disproportionately affect Black and Latinx communities, and the challenge of maintaining hope behind bars. His recent clemency granted by Governor Hochul marks a pivotal moment, highlighting the importance of parole reform and the role of contrition in the process. Josh, who has spent years visiting Bruce and advocating for justice reform, discusses the broader context of mass incarceration, including the impact of policies like the 1994 crime bill and the cycle of poverty and violence in marginalized neighborhoods. They explore the transformative power of education, introspection, and community support within prison walls, emphasizing how individuals can choose to become better rather than bitter. The episode also touches on the importance of listening and empathy—both inside and outside prison—and the potential for society to break generational cycles through meaningful intervention and opportunity. Together, Josh and Bruce offer a candid, hopeful perspective on healing, second chances, and the work still needed to create a more just system.

About Bruce Bryan

Bruce Bryan is a former inmate who recently made headlines after being released from prison following nearly 30 years of wrongful incarceration, thanks to clemency efforts. His remarkable journey from prisoner to advocate for justice highlights the critical issues within the criminal justice system. With the support of legal reform champion Josh Dubin and the Perlmutter Center for Legal Justice, Bruce is now dedicated to raising awareness about wrongful convictions and advocating for systemic change. His story of resilience and redemption inspires many, as he uses his voice to bring hope and change to those still affected by injustice. Follow Bruce on social media @bruce.bryan24 and support his ongoing efforts through his GoFundMe campaign.

About Josh Dubin

Josh Dubin is a prominent civil rights attorney and the Executive Director of the Perlmutter Center for Legal Justice, where he advocates for comprehensive criminal justice reform. With a track record of challenging wrongful convictions and fighting systemic injustices, Dubin has made significant strides in promoting equitable legal practices. He is particularly known for his innovative work in utilizing technology and data-driven approaches to address issues within the justice system. Dubin's compelling insights into the intersections of law, technology, and social equity make him a captivating voice in the ongoing dialogue about justice reform, as showcased in his appearance on the Joe Rogan Experience.

Key Moments

– Criminal Justice Reform
– Prison System
– Clemency
– Incarceration Experience
– Parole Process
– Legal Advocacy
– Prison Education
– Recidivism
– Racial Disparities
– Prison Labor
– Mental Health
– Community Reintegration
– Forensic Science
– Youth Programs
– Systemic Inequality
– Political Influence
– Personal Transformation
– Comedy and Rehabilitation
0:00:20 – Introduction to Bruce Bryan's story
0:03:37 – Bruce Bryan discusses 1994 homicide arrest
0:06:45 – Clemency center at CUNY Law involvement
0:08:56 – Bruce's intellectual presence in prison
0:11:00 – Bruce receives clemency from Governor Hochul
0:12:54 – Bruce's time in New York penitentiaries
0:15:04 – Choosing to become better, not bitter
0:16:38 – Prison reading levels impact bed allocation
0:19:31 – Crime generative factors in communities
0:20:01 – Impact of 1994 crime bill on incarceration
0:22:29 – Low law library usage among inmates
0:25:04 – Transition from prison to freedom
0:29:52 – Description of solitary confinement at Sing Sing
0:32:00 – Decades of hopelessness in prisons
0:36:00 – Racial disparity in sentencing and incarceration
0:40:51 – Generational poverty and systemic issues
0:44:37 – Call to action: writing to DA Pamela Price
0:49:01 – Watching comedy show with Bruce post-release
0:51:06 – Questioning prison as the right solution
0:53:05 – Prison system as a money generator
0:55:09 – Knowing the right levers to pull for change
1:00:30 – Helping innocent people get out of jail
1:03:10 – Playback theater for children of incarcerated parents
1:08:31 – Penalties for refusing prison labor
1:11:38 – Shock over long prison sentences
1:15:21 – Queens DA's conviction integrity unit reinvestigation
1:22:23 – Bruce losing his cool during prison visit
1:27:16 – Military-style prison guard behavior
1:30:54 – Martial arts importance in prison
1:33:24 – The necessity of listening in corrections
1:36:26 – Josh Dubin on vulnerability and identity
1:40:12 – Teaching kids about power and responsibility
1:42:51 – Rarity of exonerated prisoners seeking help
1:45:36 – Feeling of second chance and reinvention
1:48:06 – Bruce's joyous return to comedy mothership
1:50:12 – Motivation to overcome depression and inertia
1:59:46 – Majority of NY prison population from seven neighborhoods
2:04:16 – Bruce's overwhelming happiness post-release
2:08:18 – Gratitude for platform to share stories
2:10:34 – Importance of community and mutual support

Transcript Excerpt

Starting point is 00:00:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. Starting point is 00:00:20 For everyone to, like, guys started realizing while you were there, your story. Like, the word started getting around the green room, and it was one of those things, like, guys started realizing while you were there your story. Starting point is 00:00:44 Like, everybody wanted to hear the story everybody wanted to talk to you everybody Starting point is 00:01:41 Because I spent the last several years visiting him at Sing Sing, Starting point is 00:02:17 Thank you. It's just an amazing, the comedy mothership is really a dream for the comedians. Starting point is 00:02:53 shoulder to shoulder with them. Starting point is 00:03:12 No one goes through that experience unscathed, right? Starting point is 00:03:37 Well, I was arrested back in 1994 for homicide. Starting point is 00:04:15 and being charged with a homicide while the prosecutor involved in your conviction Starting point is 00:04:48 a theory, as he did in my situation. Starting point is 00:05:03 drug dealing, it's easier to get someone that has a history of being involved in the streets to put a case on them than it is someone that doesn't. Starting point is 00:05:46 getting convicted but went to federal prison for it. You know, I should give some context here because to the extent that Bruce is going to be guarded about certain details of his case, Starting point is 00:06:45 from a guy named Steve Zeidman that runs a clemency center at CUNY Law. Starting point is 00:07:58 And historically, especially in New York, you have to express contrition and explain to the parole board, Starting point is 00:08:56 And I was really struck by his presence, by how articulate he was, one of the most well-read human beings. Starting point is 00:09:41 And I just got curious. Starting point is 00:11:00 But Bruce got clemency a couple of months ago by Governor Hochul in December, and he got to stand before the parole board. Starting point is 00:12:23...

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