Joe Rogan Experience #2203 — Eric Goode & Jeremy McBride Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. Okay. Yeah, captive cats and captive audience. Yeah, no, for sure. Yeah. You know, but of course there's something called religion and dominion. last night and we got to number 4 and my daughter wanted to watch number 4. I'm is one of the rare times where I'm fully with PETA. But in this case, I am aligned with PETA. But where I am not aligned with PETA is when you have to make a choice between eradicating a rat that's killing off

4:24 for future generations. So I'm not always aligned with PETA but in this case yes. to have pets. Well you know it's one of those things it's like 95% which is crazy. So it's a little hypocritical if they don't want people to have pets well, you know, it's one of those things it's like the Right. closely related to us more than any other ape. Yeah, there's a point. I think I missed it.

7:02 I mean I had a joke in one of my earlier comedy specials in their backyards. Wow. And they have them on these enormous ranches, And that is not what they want. The zoo because they're so chill. They're so chill babies feed them when my daughters were young in the consciousness of the culture, that we still keep certain animals in zoos that I think giraffes is the only example.

10:28 But the last time I went to a zoo, my daughters were, they were younger, but not like babies, and there was nowhere to go You know, I was at the Singapore Zoo once, literally a green. And you just say to yourself, like, there's just, you know, if you have and I was on my way home and I stopped going in circles tiny little enclosure and I was like what is that why is this

13:24 For us, one thing that was so deeply fascinating, the majority of the income that cover most of the zoos, and they run like entertainment zoos are educational facilities for animals. You put their food in ice, so they have to work to get it out. But Joe's daughters' grandkids will still I have a four-year-old and a one-year-old, and I think it's particularly interesting

15:59 For a very long time maybe still mm-hmm the point of when they go there. so that they don't like we're talking about the chimp enclosure at the LA Zoo they bite each other's fingers It's torture for them to not be able to express So the zoos were like the last hope Well in this state they're bringing them back. Wolverine populations are pretty healthy, but good luck finding one.

19:27 oh my God, that's a lion, look at that, years ago. Like, you know, to have a park, a zoo, a library when you're building a they're virtually extinct, How much success has there been in returning animals to the wild. There may be a reason to have animals in captivity. How much success has there been in returning animals to the wild though? than it should be putting animals back into the wild that when extinct or when it virtually

21:47 They brought them into captivity. About which about whether or not it's the lead from the bullets that was killing them. we are not considering. I believe that because a condor in a day, not to go off the charts on a condo, and there's less prey. Yeah, don't leave your dog outside because your dog's gonna get, you know, And what's really unnatural is ranching.

24:21 and coyotes can get sheep easier than, you know, calves. I remember when I first saw them, I moved to California in 94 and I was staying at a, and I was driving down the street but you experience a lot of wildlife. only, so red wolves can interbreed with coyotes and that you get the coy wolf, but gray wolves do their territory. So now when people came in and started killing off the wolves, which

27:15 Because of garbage, because of water, They make the eeriest noise together. And you have to be careful. We've developed these bizarre establishments called cities. They're living in this ecosystem. We're fucking weird. And she just took the page out of, that's essentially running like a little sex cult, right? would he'd be a very popular person. Yeah, but I get messages all the time. Like you've got to help get him out put him on your podcast

31:21 It's hilarious. It's nice to... No one says that, yeah. And they offered him, the feds offered him a deal, which was something like six or seven deal. They wouldn't touch that with a 10-foot pole, but Trump might, especially this time around, when they found that Tonka was in the basement. like a smart person. some wires that aren't connected. It is still?

35:19 I thought... How do you get, after Tiger King, Yeah, and so, you know, it's these women something called a monkey ball, Really? I do not. other than my grandmother. they're not good pets. That's our kind of consensus on a lot of it. This was a big animal, exotic animal dealership that existed up until the 70s in New York The venomous snake bite, Eric?

38:41 This thing is trapped in this like regular apartment with regular glass. What about Carol then? She's a woman. And that crazy movie Roar. So she's got her own museum, the Tippi Hedren Museum, them are fairly small like a couple hundred acres and they keep animals It's enthralling. It's also soalling. There's something about, it's also so lonely. people don't know about hunting, which is, you know, one just obviously, the obvious

41:47 and how many people can go hunt them. agriculture particularly I have a good buddy of mine who is But they establish these food plots and they put these things in to make it a good place for deer to be so they can hunt them don't have wolves they don't have a lot of animals that would sort of balance has this bizarre model and what California would like, I mean California is I think the

44:35 And so that's why it's illegal to kill a mountain lion It's not often, but if you're on a bike, the problem with being on a bike is you're moving You're like, whoa. have that weapon ready because they will jump you. But they also live in the least populated areas. grizzly bears are hunted. I'd rather have a hundred tigers than one chimp and have a tiger act than a chimp act. Oh I I can imagine. And also, when I was watching this lady's enclosure,

47:44 encased in steel bars. But the steel bars are connected by wood. I was interviewing a guy in Kenya that had a chimpanzee, that was keeping it, and started becoming sort of addicted too intelligent especially as they get five six and seven years old they get Right, I mean, how weird does it get? maybe they don't need Viagra well primates are very promiscuous and

50:43 Yeah, if you're around a bunch of ladies that are a bunch of sluts, you might get fired You don't get any closer than 20 yards. they come towards you it's when you just move away Very interesting, it's so much like us. And years, and I think they really invested the time Resource suck. If you snooze, you lose. There's two, right? The way that, see the thing about the difference

53:26 like with the photo that you guys have on the promo It's not fair for them to be any and then you go. I don't want to chimp, but if you're And I mean, you can talk about this, watching 2001 Space Odyssey with her chimpanzee, Chance. I had to take my headset off. a much more difficult. Well they're also like human characters and wiry and until Attenborough.

56:15 He's like, we couldn't even show it all. but it's much bigger, but it's called a hingeback tortoise and it literally closes up like a rock. like 96 or something like that. they'll soft little things and you'll hold onto them and they're weak. These things were The muscle structure is completely different. genitals, your fingers, your face. I'm writing this, you know, what was so fascinating you think knowing all this about chimps later and remember this Eric

59:22 we filmed our first chimpanzee funeral and So if a tiger attacks someone and they have a huge laceration, they'll go to the hospital Odd for sure but intelligent but in Tanya's case like what would that lady be like if she didn't have And when people live boring ass lives, grounds, the more likely you were to conquer neighboring tribes, the more likely you were

1:02:01 Which is so wild, they were, he got straight guys. People come up to you and go, See Carl interact with Marshall because Marshall's like I don't want to hurt you I don't want nothing to do is to stop biting me. What are you doing? Yeah, you can see it He wants to be your friend, and unless you're a squirrel. It just fires up that part in their DNA He's standing there with a squirrel in his mouth. Okay, you got a squirrel that quick

1:04:09 are killed every year by outside cats. everything, everything they can get their hands on. of control and now in Australia they hunt them. Like I understand that they're cats and that's what cats do. Whereas every other dog that I've had, I had to teach him. into their system of chasing the ball, bringing it back. They do these things with me. and Tonka loves you back, why the cage?

1:07:16 how much would the chimp visit her? Like nothing you're doing to that chimp is natural. That's really disturbing. Real world and have fun with human beings and have a good time with my friends what it was like to have babies, you know? Oh my God. But she continues to talk with us and we continue to tell her, Tanya, you know, maybe this is Right. So it isn't black and white. There's a lot of gray.

1:10:13 And she should not have the option to have that responsibility. I think it's around six years. So they have sex with all the male dolphins, They used to think macaws, parrots were monogamous, and swans, and then they started doing the We are clearly different in that we are animals, drunk lady who had the one that attacked her daughter like what happened to her?

1:13:07 I think, you know, when that lady from the liquor store with this chimp that she thought was her son You really think about it. Dan Lee. Do you want to do it? We had this archive, the video that you see Hollywood. And what I found very interesting is this kind of this It's not like us. It's more of a grimace. But look at the canines compared to ours.

1:17:14 someone comes over your house. And Sandy had this kind of void in her life. he's airbrushed everywhere on trucks. And he lives a cool life. He lives a cool life. runs out of the car trying to figure out what's going on. So this chimp is out in space for the majority of his life But he grabbed car keys, He wanted to go for a ride a tech you know right big cats do a figure eight over and over and over.

1:20:23 this great footage with this chimp, Gordy, The one person that attacks yeah that's what I'm thinking so really good question because I always Oftentimes they do have to alter them to build a continue to work with them Yes, it is. We didn't realize also how dark this was coming out of it because we were so close to it and the reaction By people it's very heavy

1:22:59 It's pretty good, Joe. Yeah, now you're giving away way too much. Well wait, wait, wait. Because Buck in Oregon was castrated and then it, you know. It's so crazy, like fixing a dog is so commonplace. But also, by the way, think about But I was going to add to what you were saying, Eric. But globally, there's still many chimps in Thailand and all over the world that are,

1:25:47 are doing something to protect wild lands and protect wild populations of chimpanzees, Certainly not, I mean chimpanzees. them into the wild. famous you know image of Putin releasing a tiger in Russia that was captive they Oh, house cats. They all have instincts to kill and eat things. when the garbage comes out, all the garbage cans are tipped over because of the bears.

1:28:36 that's trying to bring them back to California. And there's a reason it went extinct, because the last grizzly bear in California was shot I believe that we're more important to each other than animals are to us doesn't mean that I don't care about animals Really interesting. They did have an overpopulation problem of ungulates because bears can only

1:30:32 there's a lot of controversy from ranchers. You can hunt black bears because people eat black bears and you can eat brown bears as and eat him from three feet away. He said they're really bold now because they haven't He was lunch. But I will never forget watching it in New York City. But it's the same thing. If you watch that, eventually, And you want to throw yourself into the system and maybe live with them as for as long as it lasts

1:33:34 I do too, but again, like, what kind of choices are we making in this life? He gets charged with destruction of property. That's insane. It's not this man who's defending his life from someone's crazy fuckin' idea of harboring an animal, from where we were going with these themes. It's harder. and they don't know if you're gonna steal their animals.

1:36:42 are going to be suspicious. So we work with hardly anybody. And also before Tiger King, Our insurance didn't even know. your show. Like, this world is so much more insane dramatic recreations. and it also comes off as authentic. because they just want you to keep them keep people tuned in for drama And then I would be like, Tanya, you were three hours late.

1:40:14 So it is authentic. We had a great team. It would be very helpful, but we don't. So that was the story, where is the chimp? Tanya's story. And that is not a good, smart way How do we spend less time on these things Which is like you have 250 plus hours of footage. There's a process know, what's so interesting, Joe, and I want to come back to this about, you know, I saw

1:44:15 later Buck was shot and we said to ourselves and I remember this so vividly confiscation, thinking nothing was going to happen. Day happens, take the animals out, one is missing. With reality TV programming or programming in general? Well I think they So instead what they do is they say, okay, today you're going to argue about what to And so the whole thing is the personal dynamics,

1:46:55 It's bullshit. which are super, super popular, They load up the storage unit. Because, you know a lot of those shows they fake it They load up the storage I even thought some of these like, you know nature shows like Steve Irwin Right, because YouTube you have these small, and the smuggling of reptiles. and the ones that they identified that they've captured that were definitely Nile crocodiles

1:49:35 gull rails. but they're in sort of estuaries and brackish water. they've ever found? I've seen a lot of American crocodiles than the alligators were. 15 feet. Really? Yeah, that's the longest one they've ever found and there's some really interesting reports So you have guns being introduced in the 1800s and now in 2024 you can't find the really big ones

1:52:42 This is a long time ago though. like that you were right and I was wrong I like that too Wow. So these ones that they, okay, super croc, massive fossilized croc discovered in the Everyone in the village is either missing an arm have a place where they can retrieve water safely, How do I get in that area and they're watching you underwater for hours without breathing?

1:55:55 in Madagascar from Nile Crocs. I always wondered why there were not anacondas and in the making of this reptile tomorrow. It's unclear if Nile crocodiles are breeding. It's unclear if they are Nile crocodiles become established before they could threaten native species. And when I lived in Florida, they were endangered. Everybody in the town was like whoa

1:58:09 Now they're everywhere. it took pressure them for skins and hunt them for skins, but now they have an overpopulation problem. So I was just Now they're incredibly common. They used to be elk over 50 states. They were just hunting deer and all these different animals You're now making me think about something They would fill the sky, yeah. And for feathers in people's hats, apparently.

2:01:00 which, you know, had its own unintended consequences, very dug in with PETA and veganism and dug in with anti-hunting and then there's people there's also the problem is like we were talking about with BC I didn't really But they should control the populations and the way to control the populations They eat their own babies. Like we should just sort of like let it be what it is and enjoy it

2:04:16 and we've lost our perspective Yes, they are elephants are hunted for their ivory. Yes, they were but also elephants are population of predators. You're gonna have to do something. It's just like how If you want to keep it at bay, keep wild animals in the wild. I don't mean theoretical in the sense what happens when they have too many of them in a specific area and then they

2:07:07 And you know, it's just, it was so interesting or compete with the prey that the tigers start going Yeah. to the aggression of the tigers. drags him to shore, and one guy gets away to safety. because the grass is so high, and, you know, they're just built to fuck things up that's what their job is and but yeah, where there are Tigers, some sort of an area there where they don't have

2:09:44 in the world world or is it Fuck. That's one of the most fascinating things, that you have a place where people are starving and they choose not to eat cows. Yeah, see if you can find that. Well, they're also probably Muslim. I believe they were yeah Oh incredible. Isn't that nuts? Wow, I didn't even think of that when I was there. it's almost the only thing that you could, especially if you have like ancient stories of soma and these different psychedelic compounds that the Hindus would

2:13:41 Chicken, chicken all you want, baby. Muslim though that's awesome yeah. Yeah, right, right. It's kind of perverse to a relationship with animals. and everything comes easy to them or whatever you're doing, and we're completely disconnected you know, Yogi Bear and all that kind of stuff. creeks. What part of northern California? In Sonoma area. Okay, that's beautiful up there.

2:16:30 Very few. you'll see lots of different birds and you must you must have grown up in Like we're weird. everybody's outside in the park like, I think it's a part of being a person. I think I think it's a part of being prison of our own choosing is to see them in the wild. Well, in that case, I think he just went like this. That's a good one. Here's your sauce.

2:20:29 it and thank God you found that one nutty lady because she really glues it all together. and coastal bubbles. So yeah, it's a thing, monkey moms. There's so many things you can do. time they're a baby they've been in captivity. The whole thing is completely Right, right, right. man from West Africa with these. There he is. So he died in 1916, that's right.

2:23:46 World's Most Dangerous Animal. love this this image it was a it was a it was an exhibition right the the world's most dangerous animal and its reflection oh yeah it's a mirror with what you guys have done. We self- fund and develop something You guys nailed it, twice. of watching these very bizarre people So I appreciate you having us. My pleasure. Thank you guys. And please finish the show. I will I will I was just bummed out last night