Eric Goode & Jeremy McBride

Date: 2024-09-17 | Duration: 2h 30m

Episode Overview

Eric Goode and Jeremy McBride join Joe Rogan for a deep dive into the complex world of animal captivity, conservation, and human interaction with wildlife. They explore the ethical dilemmas surrounding zoos, highlighting how many animals suffer in small enclosures that fail to meet their natural needs. Drawing from personal experiences with chimpanzees and other exotic animals, the guests discuss the psychological toll captivity takes on intelligent species, sharing poignant stories like filming a chimpanzee funeral and observing the social behaviors of primates in unnatural settings. They emphasize the importance of preserving wild habitats while acknowledging the challenges of reintroducing captive animals back into the wild. The conversation also touches on the delicate balance of predator-prey relationships and the impact of human activity on ecosystems, including the near-extinction and gradual recovery of species like grizzly bears and wolves in North America. Eric and Jeremy reflect on the unintended consequences of human intervention, such as overpopulation of certain animals due to the absence of natural predators. They critique sensationalized media portrayals of exotic animal ownership and discuss the realities behind viral stories, stressing the need for responsible stewardship rather than exploitation. Throughout, the episode offers a nuanced perspective on wildlife conservation, animal welfare, and the complicated ties between humans and the natural world.

About Eric Goode

Eric Goode is a filmmaker and wildlife expert known for creating the HBO docu-series "Monsters of God," which investigates the global exotic animal trade and the subcultures surrounding reptile collection. His work exposes the intersection of illegal wildlife trafficking with broader criminal enterprises like drug and gun smuggling, while revealing how pop culture inadvertently drives demand for endangered species. Goode brings firsthand credibility to these investigations, including personal encounters with venomous wildlife and access to secretive communities within the exotic animal world.

About Jeremy McBride

Jeremy McBride is a documentarian and filmmaker who co-created the HBO docu-series "Monsters of God" with Eric Goode. The series explores the global reptile trade and the obsessive subcultures surrounding exotic animal collection. McBride's work investigates how the multi-billion dollar illegal wildlife trade intersects with broader criminal enterprises and reveals the ecological devastation caused by both invasive species and the demand for endangered animals driven by pop culture and perceived medicinal value.

Key Moments

– Animal Conservation
– Captive Wildlife
– Chimpanzee Behavior
– Exotic Animal Trade
– Wildlife Rehabilitation
– Predator-Prey Dynamics
– Human-Wildlife Conflict
– Zoo Ethics
– Endangered Species
– Wildlife Hunting
– Animal Intelligence
– Wildlife Habitat
– Animal Domestication
– Wildlife Documentary
– Animal Rights Activism
– Reptile Ecology
– Urban Wildlife
– Animal Behavior
– Wildlife Population Control
0:00:29 – Discussion on captive cats and captive audience
0:02:04 – Religion and dominion over animals
0:02:57 – Alignment with PETA on animal issues
0:06:06 – Humans closely related to apes
0:09:05 – Chill nature of zoo animals and baby feeding
0:11:23 – Experience at Singapore Zoo
0:14:13 – Zoos as educational facilities for animals
0:17:03 – Chimp enclosure issues at LA Zoo
0:18:20 – Bringing back native species in the state
0:20:44 – Success in returning animals to the wild
0:22:12 – Lead poisoning in condors discussion
0:24:42 – First impressions of California wildlife
0:27:33 – Eerie sounds of wolves together
0:28:08 – Development of cities and wildlife coexistence
0:30:45 – Messages about releasing captive animals
0:35:33 – Impact of Tiger King on exotic animal awareness
0:37:52 – Exotic animal dealerships history in New York
0:39:33 – The movie Roar and Tippi Hedren Museum
0:41:11 – Public misconceptions about hunting
0:44:35 – Legal protections for mountain lions
0:46:46 – Preference for tigers over chimps in captivity
0:48:10 – Interview with Kenyan chimpanzee caretaker
0:50:13 – Promiscuity in primates
0:52:13 – Investment of time in chimpanzee studies
0:54:47 – Watching 2001 Space Odyssey with chimpanzee Chance
0:56:38 – Hingeback tortoise's unique defense mechanism
0:59:22 – Filming first chimpanzee funeral
1:02:37 – Chimpanzee social interactions and DNA triggers
1:04:09 – Impact of outside cats on wildlife
1:06:56 – Tonka the chimpanzee's affection and captivity
1:07:35 – Unnatural conditions for captive chimps
1:10:46 – Chimpanzee sexual maturity age
1:13:32 – Woman mistaking chimp for her son
1:18:58 – Chimpanzee spending majority of life in space
1:25:47 – Efforts to protect wild chimpanzee populations
1:28:36 – Grizzly bear extinction in California
1:39:07 – Authenticity in wildlife documentary filming
1:44:55 – Animal confiscation and missing chimp
1:48:46 – Reptile smuggling and Nile crocodile captures
1:53:56 – Discovery of massive fossilized super croc
2:00:32 – Historical overhunting of birds for feathers
2:05:51 – Keeping wild animals in the wild for balance
2:08:28 – Tiger attacks and survival stories
2:10:31 – Cultural food choices in starvation contexts
2:15:04 – Human disconnection from nature
2:19:02 – Prison of our own choosing metaphor

Transcript Excerpt

Starting point is 00:00:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. Starting point is 00:00:29 Okay. Starting point is 00:00:56 Yeah, captive cats and captive audience. Starting point is 00:01:34 Yeah, no, for sure. Starting point is 00:02:04 Yeah. You know, but of course there's something called religion and dominion. Starting point is 00:02:31 last night and we got to number 4 and my daughter wanted to watch number 4. I'm Starting point is 00:02:57 is one of the rare times where I'm fully with PETA. Starting point is 00:03:31 But in this case, I am aligned with PETA. Starting point is 00:03:59 But where I am not aligned with PETA is when you have to make a choice between eradicating a rat that's killing off Starting point is 00:04:24 for future generations. So I'm not always aligned with PETA but in this case yes. Starting point is 00:05:04 to have pets. Well you know it's one of those things it's like 95% which is crazy. So it's a little hypocritical if they don't want people to have pets well, you know, it's one of those things it's like the Starting point is 00:05:46 Right. Starting point is 00:06:06 closely related to us more than any other ape. Starting point is 00:06:24 Yeah, there's a point. I think I missed it. Starting point is 00:07:02 I mean I had a joke in one of my earlier comedy specials Starting point is 00:07:21 in their backyards. Starting point is 00:07:43 Wow. Starting point is 00:08:02 And they have them on these enormous ranches, Starting point is 00:08:38 And that is not what they want. Starting point is 00:09:05 The zoo because they're so chill. They're so chill babies feed them when my daughters were young Starting point is 00:09:47 in the consciousness of the culture, that we still keep certain animals in zoos that Starting point is 00:10:13 I think giraffes is the only example. Starting point is 00:10:28 But the last time I went to a zoo, my daughters were, they were younger, but not like babies, Starting point is 00:11:08 and there was nowhere to go St...

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