Joe Rogan Experience #2237 — Mike Benz Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience away I was thinking, okay, this makes a lot of sense when you're explaining like the Ministry I sort of advised on technology issues and then I ran the cyber division for the State censorship industry, this giant behemoth of government, private sector, civil society freedom because censorship is promotion of censorship is sort of the flip side

3:03 law. with promotion of free speech on the internet when the internet was So we already had this sort of deep interplay successfully did and I'm not even arguing whether that's a good or a bad in a referendum join the Russian Federation and that kicked off that that style, our media assets in the region. And they still didn't penetrate Eastern Ukraine.

6:14 take over the media in these NATO countries and that's primarily social formally declared its tanks to tweets sphere in the intelligence world to take control over social media and then five up until around the time that Elon purchased X. I mean, he's sort of the timeline where we missed the bullet, there were events in the run-up from Chuck Grassley and other luminaries in Congress. There were a lot of

10:06 Ministry of Truth scared the shit out of people just because of the Orwellian context of the thing from general public awareness. I mean in my own path I've tried to 2019 that the cybersecurity agency in DHS and then suddenly you're being flagged by DHS as a cyber threat actor for attacking We we have this foreign policy establishment that manages the American Empire that saw

13:42 and I start talking to you about, I don't know, the to effectively control every election, You're going to have the State Department argue that if we don't have this counter misinformation capacity then there was largely a free Internet it was when Trump got censored into oblivion in So every country, the State Department is a preferred winner of that election we work with all political

16:36 the Global Engagement Center at the State Department. would come out that he had been effectively groomed by the FBI. The FBI the Trump era and this gave the State Department the direct back channel, with the ingested sum of all of their tweets and transcribed YouTube videos and Facebook posts. censorship center. He was the former managing editor of Time Magazine. And so he's talked

19:38 And then he wrote a whole book on it. But that was primarily targeting left-wing in the way that Democrats did in the 1960s and 70s, simply never rose to power in the way that Trump did in the US, Bolsonaro did versus Macron if you know as I mentioned Italy there was going to be not just So the 2016 elections was that was a funding these censorship operations through the

23:37 The fact that Trump came into office under the barrel of a gun of a special prosecutor, openly alleging that he may be a Russian asset, infrastructure. But then in July 2019, Russiagate died on the vine immediately as soon as Bob But then when it was revealed he had nothing, which is they switched from a sort of to go unchallenged for effectively three years up until Elon announced the

26:23 2020 after after Russiaate they do this democracy so regardless of whether it's the Russians or not we need to censor meant in primarily that the government would represent the the mass of academics. So what they did is they argued that democracy has to be defended from demagoguery. democratic institutions, which is another cute rhetorical trick because that's the

30:03 the consensus of institutions. of consensus building institutions to bring together the banks, the corporations, the for example read reed hoffman um in 2019 they were doing all of these conferences where they said elections are a threat to happened is Zelensky was supposed to leave office and he did not. Is that what memo which is which is I think I have it near the top of my ex

33:14 Zelensky ultimately became president the 2014 coup in Ukraine was this is this is part of a drive by the u.s. state department in tandem with the essentially the Ukrainian dial in response for what happened in Crimea yes its education ministry to an EU commissioning body so that Russian adjacent mythologies couldn't be taught in the country. Yeah. They're being funded to exert this soft power issue. Every this

36:21 the National Endowment for Democracy the National Endowment for Democracy. The National Endowment for Democracy is one of the most pernicious forces Again, this is what sponsors so much of Ukrainian media. assassinating journalists and political figures using methods that included, you know, a gun that Reagan gets the power after the Iran hostage situation, wants the CIA's powers back,

39:04 you'll find in that article you know aheaded by the National Endowment for Democracy. And you'll find in that article, you know, a quote by the National Endowment for legislative history, when it was passed effectively a bill through Congress that So it's funded by the government. i don't think so started electing right wing populists who were hostile to the foreign policy establishment's consensus and a lot of this has to do with energy

41:44 CIA cutout to back channel posing challenges to healthy information environments and threats to democracy. highlighting various approaches for advancing information integrity and strengthening societal but lack credibility, whereas civil society has the credibility, but is chronically under-resourced. in disinformation. I mean, this came a little bit

45:20 by the US State Department. What political parties? Sometimes we create those capacities even if we don't capacity-building activist groups in a foreign country, that's because the State Community is only 72 billion. So it is as more than the CIA and more than the Twitter in 2014 was restricted. Egypt in 2011-2012. By the way, I'm not even opining on whether this is good or

49:39 It didn't say, they were the one of them to the the first two of the political course And so you have, but these two political branches you may recall in twenty twelve there was that debate between Mitt Romney because at the time It's both sides of the political aisle, but both of them hate Trump. Brazil that is powerful and and institutionally as wide and deep as

53:16 I find it curious that the CIA's DNC branch, Hunter Biden was on the chairman's advisory the guy who has gone to war with the in on musk that seized Starlink's assets in brazil telling them they need to prosecute misinformation on this government-funded By the way, this is in USAID's charter. organization they they developed a strategy they called EMBs election

56:58 They couldn't convince the other political stakeholders in the country This is why you know when you're saying it's going to be insanely difficult and Trump's where we are at complete 1984 on all of this, it may have been easy to have been pulled out this is appropriate, I could have made this a six-hour supercut where the rules-based international order would collapse

1:00:05 they do it all top-down and we have our entire diplomatic apparatus is arrayed So they came up with a really cute trick the Cybersecurity Turn Cybercensorship DHS internal meeting This thing was completely orchestrated top down Well, if you go to in my highlights tab in scroll down, I think you'll you'll see it there. It's know, FBI, DOJ, But so they've, there's now about a hundred US universities. disinformation studies is what they call it misnomer of the century but but so

1:03:37 And so by by effectively wielding all these assets so that there's government funding and government coordination This information is not going to be fixed by governments acting alone. with information that is real and accurate. and that to me is the whole of society approach and i think that the solution NED program to get censorship laws in 140 countries. If you remember, there was

1:06:48 to do all of this censorship because that's authoritarian. And so I can show you, You're saying WISEdex. its history, it basically has a...it's when military technology becomes dual use for commercial But so Trump created this thing in his first term at the National Science Foundation called Biden gets into office, his first year in office, was eligible for $5.7 million

1:10:17 Social media platforms have policies about harmful misinformation So first, a platform flags a small fraction for review. Next, human claim. reviewer efficiency thought of wholly as problematic as a society before COVID-19. COVID-19 became one that at to, and they were conflating everything with hate speech, And all of this is just a large scale because that's exactly right.

1:14:47 onto these social media companies, as we know from Mark Zuckerberg and others, to adopt policy on COVID without getting censored. But just to drive home that point on If you look up the word Graphica, it's G-R-A-P-H-I-K-A. Pentagon. When the Pentagon is trying to do information shaping operations and around the world of COVID-19. Given the strange unresolved role of the Pentagon

1:17:55 but we backdated our data, our AI, you know, ingestion of all the tweets and Facebook posts in January 2020. So if you scroll up, so if you start on's just see, if you start on page one, but they started this before it did. OK. reels that conservative groups What was this in regard to the origin at this point? You'll see they have a whole section on,

1:20:50 to protect the reputation of Bill Gates and George Soros from conspiracy theories online and received a joint three million dollar grant from the National Science It also gets annual funding from the CIA, Cutout, National A lot of people don't know seven former number one journalists, you'll see that. You can find this also if you look for on Rumble, NATO training journalists.

1:23:07 Censorship journalists or the videos. there's like a two to four minute video. If you look at Atlantic Council censorship journalists, journalists and fact-checkers from all over the world to come to this you know i can tell you the exact uh... but yeah i think you need, yeah. This is still probably going to bring up what you talked about on the other one, so.

1:24:43 Trump tweets Brexit slogans. Yeah, give me some okay. All right and the intelligence community wanted him out. which is a whole thing that we can maybe talk about snowballed into what we now have. And so the Atlantic Council effectively bills itself as NATO's think tank. That's Atlantic Council primarily does and I'm And this was a training session that they did for journalists and fact checkers in June 2019.

1:28:21 Okay. are trying to twist the story. And so if you go through all of them, at least one of these four will apply. Again, dismiss, So with that, let's play. because there's their witches and it's evil. Wait, dismissed? So you're right that underneath that attempt, Pro-Brexit. How many of you think this one is distort involved? Oh, you just kept your hand up?

1:32:08 Yeah, so okay they were literally having years of these consensus building that you want rather than the eu that's disinformation not false they're this makes any sense with no one having internet gag order. Right. Headline readers and low information voters do this tactic or whether or not you know this goes too far and I watched as And so to me, it's, it's, the fact is, is if these people could not have their careers

1:36:14 that you know it's funny in 2022 Harvard wrote this piece I covered it at my for this entire field was the 2016 election. government programs, there's no way to get rid of us even if you want to. There goes your State Department funding, Oh yeah, Google Arizona State University center on narrative, But if you scroll down, so this is Arizona State University, this is basically John McCain

1:39:27 2024 you go to the website just wearing a mask and she's wearing it wrong. Her the of the National Endowment for Democracy that's effectively self This is a program at Arizona State University narrative disinformation strategic influence. Now, if you click on why is disinformation dangerous, The dirty tricks that this is laden with is what allows them to get away with this.

1:43:14 Times as a credible institution you are attacking democracy in the white blood alone. This project will develop a system that detects, characterizes, and attributes misinformation and disinformation, whether image, video, audio, or text. ASU Because that's who the never Trump side of the GOP the Mitt Romney Detecting and tracking adversarial framing.

1:45:48 detection technique based on the principle of adversarial framing when the framing analysis alongside known propaganda outlets, studies the but so does some random outlet they don't like in Russia. home, right? Supposed to be a foreign facing operation. But they have a get out jail Yeah. funded by the US military. And fighting COVID-19 will perceive them as truth.

1:49:55 If you're a medical or public health expert in social media that are misleading the public. Your report enables faster takedowns and helps contractor. They did the same thing, by the way that was the second squint AI If you go back to the beginning, we must call it out and correct it. integral to our democracy, our elections, we must call it out and correct it.

1:52:55 The verification message includes a report that you can share with election peers Contact us to learn more about MITRESQUINT and become a participant. on the congressional jumbotron. I mean literally the on a on a celebration video of how they pulled this bottom up, so the government would threaten top-down and the media would you want to see the receipts on it it's wild but I can also just tell you about

1:56:36 Party. He wrote a book called How to Stop Brexit After Brexit Already Passed. Let's show you how started removing it because of quote, tense conversations with the new administration. You see, in April 2021, the company was seeking to work closely with the biden administration on multiple policy fronts orchestra symphony conductor for all of the assets of the American Empire. And

1:59:29 It's friggin illegal that the National Down for Democracy and the US State Department, hey, they're censoring the internet guys Trump won in 2016, Europe was, many of these European governments were afraid like what was it in response to? But just so I'm not getting the specific thing wrong, elected. humanitarian aid, the security assistance. So what do they want from Apple that

2:03:47 security assistance, our role in NA- I mean there's any number of things that Favors to Europe and European. This is what, for example, the sanctions on Russia that we led There's a ton of overlapping trade arrangements. we're going to partner with Saudi Arabia, or we're going to partner with China, or we're going to partner face but i mean the one can actually pass but they're basically trying to you know have

2:07:12 But what happens when our own US government completely betrays them and works with Europe for how to exert its its soft power influence and it's You know, like knowing all this, like what? You're gonna have your denial and then your anger larger picture is is kind of a fascinating archaeological dive into the vassalage control over much of South America.

2:10:35 pensions and and all the favors that the State Department does to pry open markets is is the reason that state of the United States and then the other person at the Pizza Hut says ah The CIA pried Russia open read Casino Moscow for more on that. But basically, I ate his pizza at It was L after L after L after L. And now this is the most exciting time

2:14:16 murder rape whatever you know crimes there are but but that's if you're That is one of the most inspiring stories, I all of medicine and they put in one of the most critical voices of the entire me even acknowledging that that was a decent thing but the fact is is it did And the fact is, it does have to go through where we need to be, but maybe that will change.

2:17:03 annual funding at the Pentagon State Department, CIA cutouts like the NED literally sponsoring at Atlanta You can look this up. You can pull this on screen. I'll show you these receipts. They're wild. NATO's brain, the think tank for NATO, to kick energy deals to Yeah, so this is Burisma and the Atlantic Council. Well, so here's where it gets to the geopolitics

2:19:15 fourth or fifth one or yeah for the fifth yeah any one of those right. So controls the world because this is where So, you know, do it for that. It was Weapons of Mass Deletion, and it was, who's a trust and safety person at Twitter. well why is why is Chevron here why is Royal Dutch Shell here why Why are representatives from NAFTAGAS at this conference about

2:22:14 Friedman was once sort of given a sort of Millet style list of entities to interesting. So we were just talking about Boris Yeltsin in the 90s. Putin This is why a lot of these French run governments have been toppled in the past year. made possible because Russian Russia exports those arms Russia's also the only if they are able to export that freely.

2:25:29 after NATO already thought these were our State Department and Intelligence Services flew into a panic like oh my where it comes in different flavors based on quality. you then ship it to Ukraine. Cold War the Soviet Union collapsed because it was bankrupt so they embarked endogenous gas supplies in Ukraine you Ukraine haven't sit on Europe's third largest unexploited

2:29:22 locked in a power struggle with Putin territory that's why the don bass is so important mostly in the East. It's the same thing with China and What they were doing is they were building that up, what you have here is a private sector for-profit company many such cases by get the cia's blessing to back in against barack obama what is this cia and so it's the it's the best job in the world if you can get it

2:33:32 I think is prepared if there was a total declassification when when we won the Cold War and then it was the Harvard Endowment and money by capturing that market, have the blob of the State Department, the CIA, and the Jesus Christ. What you have here is is almost is almost a tale as old as time since 1948 in terms of this relationship between afterwards. Like Mark Milley was, you know, head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. What's

2:37:00 because they have the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the West Wing of the White House. exactly what to invest in in term because he knows what tom donnell and start out as a banker who uh... could get this kid could stop running So blob to banker pipeline every time. And this is what Biden was doing. face outward to manage the American Empire but when homeland politics

2:41:39 to them when he turns 40. Have you ever seen this? I mean, here's a crazy example. We were told that we politicians, as the young kids say, rip off the American public. I'm a 29-year-old oddball. And he's 80. But if it wasn't for you, we wouldn't know this. and you know, have been a personal inspiration for me