Joe Rogan Experience #335 — Bas Rutten Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. Well, you know what it is, man? You got to just be yourself. You got to always be know. That's great way to, you know, get it out there. Well, you know what it is, man? I don't think that anybody hit the delete button right now. meet them. Just... Is that what it is? Boss is a good friend. you elevated the entire sport. Well, you were actually, yeah, there was no title yet.

2:17 Yeah, you had to be above the light heavyweight limit was 203 at one point. That is 93 kilos, I believe. But at that time, I liked the word heavyweight title much better right and the world is guys when have real technical Won again. His technique is perfect. ah, just go crazy and attack. and I go, oh, this is easy. I made a switch Had him in a triangle choke

5:11 to the Randleman fight as well. and I was injecting myself in between my ribs, to fight you were pumping yourself filled with lidocaine yeah in between and now they fuse three discs together. They were pinched by the herniation. three in a row five six and seven and um is that an issue and putting pressure on the discs above That's probably the case, yeah.

7:37 It is. And when your body doesn't have wheat to deal with. I'm trying. I force myself to drink this thing, Is this because of your injury? you know that it stops lactate acid from getting into your muscles. And I always had that feeling with it. No, no, no no the best I ate pizza and steaks and beer. Right. But then I say, you know, let's go out. in the army, they drink during the day.

12:01 I guess. Yeah, they do. Yeah. I wouldn't get tanked. because at the end I didn't do it anymore guys that show up in jiu-jitsu class drunk there's this one dude used to be drunk all the time he'd I guess you come up with more stuff. what are your Christian names, and where you were born? No, never, never. It's maybe 14 or something. Yeah, a 12-year-old, 13-year-old kid.

15:27 And they were drinking. It was the wildest thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They got a whole whore neighborhood. you know, there could be a girl next door. that, in my opinion, I couldn't do it. If you go to Somebody posted the Majiro Gym on my Facebook from 83. The eight guys from that gym were all world champions. They knocked these guys out. And they have great hands.

18:47 When his arm is here, he's doing that. And I'll do the mitt combination, You know, or left hook, right body, you know, We had Sam Sheridan. And the only things that are going to come out are the things that you've drilled into your brain to the point where they're in your subconscious. He was 245 pounds. So I grabbed him by the bar first of all, boss,

21:17 and yeah, why is nobody doing it? I went, wait till you're and then you're hitting high. But that one thing came back. five other guys, and then you start listening to their corner and doing that stuff, Was it just the size of their bodies? I recently saw a video from Roman Dekkers when he was 19 years old. I mean, he was skinny. he was very, very thin.

24:24 style was pretty much what Decker did. Did Tyson ever go down to his body? Also, but not as much. It's just too easy to take you down. If he wants to throw a left over right hook, he has to load up. Dwayne still does. He has this. But right away, he does it again. And Dwayne nails him right away with a straight punch. Dwayne had a, well, still does.

26:01 Does everything right. It's physical. It's life. You only got so many miles you could put on that car. Yes, he did. Didn't they do that recently? 30 pound heavier, knocks him out with a head kick. How cool is that? Does that even exist anymore? Wow. I missed the birth of my youngest daughter. and a seminar there, but i didn't have that power all the way back and now for me if it really doesn't interest me i

29:11 12 a year, and I go, I mean, we're talking about that's a three-year solid straight. Because you fought Ruben, Warpath. And then it will hit you. bit and just striking you know i tried to stay away from grappling because if I have to power out or something, We don't need to do it again. What about this? He goes Why isn't there a company What is his name

32:10 That's fun. exciting yeah yeah yeah oh what's that yeah um it's it is interesting isn't it that uh the other But I don't think that the head, you know, even with a bare knuckle hitting a head or Oh, that's what I used to do when I was a bouncer also. It's Muay Thai in a cage. You cover so much more area. doing it. I always talk to go to the body. But hit it hard.

35:04 who dropped him with the body shot. that is getting great at everything. You know, like how about front kicks? And you had a shoe on, too. use punch combinations, but just pull the hand way back, Right. So I don't get it. But how cool is that? We have a real problem with eye pokes. after my career was over. years straight, because you fly, So 60,000 people.

38:42 And he was going to, at the start, he was going to pick me up, bunk and i hit him in the face and he goes and he's out so i look at don and he goes So did the guy get up and finish the match? So they came to me the second one. He took advantage of you. I never hit like this with open hands. It's amazing that you say that because, you know, you had, you know, you were fighting

40:46 but it's a very unfortunate aspect No. people at their mount, they let themselves just buck up. you catch one hand. The carpal tunnel. It's a simple reversal. break the hand. That's very wise. up whatever you want. There's no leverage, you know, so he one of those feet. People listening to this right now are going, Does that work on really good guys?

44:09 I'm like, hmm. Gekisudo at the time. I go lay like this. get caught in a knee bar, Funaki they set me up Well, I can't do this. Okay, how do you get out? Well, I can do this. This was before I knew BJ Penn personally. And I say, so? My arm bars are different. There's the catch wrestling sort of branch where a lot of Gene LaBelle taught guys and a lot of Josh Barnett as well.

47:04 all these different techniques. September. Everybody knows a figure four, right? Now suddenly, but I mean, you know as well here, like, look at my bicep, boom. but if you can create different ways to go that submit to set You know, he's got triangle, armbar, ompalada, They go, how the hell did you say that? I always said elbows, and now we see guys start knocking people out with elbows.

50:18 You keep on fighting. You can lock some people standing. And now especially, now we see Pat, as you know, coming up with the crazy stuff. In the clinch, he would stomp on the bottom rope He stopped him with a body shot. you know, from Boss's commentary, a weird thing to watch it's a weird thing to feel you know everybody's felt it everybody who's ever

52:35 But when I went to Thai boxing, because we were not used to really punching the head. try to make the U.S. national team. and I realized I was full of shit. bringing some boxers that I could spar with. because there's so many kicks, they have a dexterity The thing that I had, though, when they beat me up the first class, And my wife at the time said, you're crazy.

55:03 I spent four hours in front of the mirror yesterday. I would wake up my wife in the middle of the night because I would dream a submission. This doesn't happen one time. Mario Sperry told me once I'm like, fuck you. But she's not with him anymore. I work for the UFC. Obviously, I'm biased. I think, those days, in my opinion, and this is my opinion, I work for the UFC.

56:42 you were there for those 90,000 seat events. And Takata on top of the roof was opening the show. I remember when it started, the wind was going really hard. it worse with me I'll let I like it the Diet Coke for some reason seems to have I'll watch a bunch of pride fights in a row. We don't, these aren't our sponsors, but they're cool people. the good is? This with a cigar.

58:56 Amy and Brian's has the Thai coconut and C2O. Not even psychoactive. For real? And because it moves, it's way better for buildings It has nothing to do with getting high. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can get them on your prescription. Oh, no, it's very easy to get there. Yeah, Roppongi. That was it. And he wants to start fighting, and he's coming now here also.

1:01:52 I was in a hotel room, and that was it, you know. There is nobody to communicate. There's no People are completely different. I was a super aggressive fighter. boom, I would get hit. but then you just get crazy when you got hit. Oh, I that was the funniest part I said so how many rounds but in my mind If I unload myself the first two minutes, I got 28 minutes to go.

1:03:48 or the three-five, you know. that pros come in and they go, do you still sell those Boss Rutan workout tapes? you sell it that workout yes it's great It's fun. number two. I want stamina at one. You know, because if you run out of gas, you can have And that's with fighting. He didn't want to stand with you. go all the way and and and more well your style is always very interesting to

1:06:45 It's insane. 23 minutes in a row. Wow. It's insane. hit the pads, and then does this. That is really. Woo! Look at this. He does it so often. That was a big myth have to do it you know and that's what the people when they run out of gas, go run a freaking hill, man. Yep. And you know what I do? Then I would go to next week, one minute and five seconds on the back, 55 seconds rest.

1:09:41 One and a half minutes full. You're going to be bizarre strong. six-minute rounds. What I was getting at with the you would kick their arms, But Nick Diaz has a different muscle than I have. Burst, relax. Like you have to realize you're gambling it all. You see, and that's those muscles. Oh, beautiful. You're seeing real athletes. He can do better.

1:12:50 you know that those guys are possible. You don't know. it was the jab, the long jab, We were at Legends in Hollywood, and Rotates over, over-rotating. Over-rotating, and a lot now as well. Lifting it up higher is where you get the real power And he did it from the knee. Oh, he had a nasty one. as well. Peter Smit? Yeah, yeah, yeah. always loved it when the guy would mix up

1:15:32 And then he was smart. It's an amazing technique. I don't mean like then Thailand. A lot of movement is easy detectable. He's got all the other things as well. Like he has a side kick, but a roundhouse kick you don't need to be worried, because he can't use his hip power in there. And I'm not saying it's a left straight, or it's a left kick, And then on top of that, his counters are bizarre.

1:18:08 Super powerful puncher. And there's only one way to fight him and not get knocked out. Henderson, though, I thought right from the get-go, You watched the day before. I always assume that they're going in there banged up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. that Fedor came out banging, knees back to the corner, He just wasn't in condition enough for that fight. I mean, it was just, everybody knows it.

1:20:54 It was the craziest thing ever. He didn't cut down to 185. stamina and more technique and work harder. out. I say, keep the body happy, man. But there's a real issue in mixed martial arts with weight cutting. He's fighting heavyweight now. yourself. And dehydrate yourself He lost 27 pounds. But didn't Hordeski was like 18 at the time too? Yeah, I was very young.

1:23:29 He went to town. Weight cutting, man. He is obviously very, very lean, but he's disciplined about it. But I think once you start cutting before and you start eating away muscle, Because the heavyweights, I mean, there might be some rare occurrences. they dehydrate themselves. out that they were putting back into him. Idiots, man. jump 10 minutes do you really want to get a title like that

1:26:16 Brushing your teeth? same as me, like movement-wise. And the other one, it's so cool when you see one room for my daughter, it's a garbage field. She wants to play with boys' toys. She's built different, too. Yeah, not only that. cares? No No Yeah, of course. See, I didn't know that. There's a famous Muay Thai fighter who was a ladyboy who fought really well.

1:29:25 So she has a male body that she's training for MMA. And I looked at her, and she's so just walking around. She's training for MMA. So she has a male body that she's training for MMA. That's not cool. Well, she says she didn't do it. I think it will be very sad. That's legit and inescapable. you heard now with the ovary. So I thought that was the reason he was not going to fight in Nevada

1:31:47 It's a very controversial issue now with MMA fighters where they're taking testosterone because the body doesn't produce it as much anymore. The true issue though is when guys by using testosterone then they says okay you cannot get it and since the fight was in vegas I go, dude, you grow over it. is Pride was in Vegas, And if that's the case, you're on your own because you cheated.

1:34:06 But a guy who's under 35, he should not have low testosterone. Now you're fighting at 155. But so, like, Vitor, who's active in the UFC and is doing really well, just knocked out Michael Bisping. No, no. But, you know, he's not a super strong Chen. hard fight for Junior, man. He is a motherfucker. I bet you, because we're still cops in Holland, right?

1:36:11 The steel dick cage. And he can bang. Yep. and Saki went in a great fight Glory now I was there about four weeks ago. Well, I think MMA has fed it to the point where everybody realized how important Muay Thai skills are to win in MMA. than it is in MMA right now. I don't know if he's got a really good roundhouse kick to the head. Brownhouse kicked him

1:38:54 from a weird angle, to knock him out. With Stefan Bonner, He manhandled him. Yeah, he's up there with Fedor. When he beat Cro Cop, you know, he was so good back then. Good stuff. not to knock him out. We threw a hundred million punches. Just train really hard. you know, what they showed on TV when they did those specials on him. the second time. Because I thought,

1:42:02 Junior's a vicious knockout striker. I mean, he had a pretty serious knee injury. mobility that he likes. I mean, the second fight Mike Pyle, I'll never forget this. that you did it. Four years ago, I was fasting for him. He says, oh, How crazy was that fight? And that's how you fight a great striker. When you say, on your shoulders you should never do that's why i never did stare downs i don't like to get angry i

1:44:51 but they hey Kimo wow least he will train very hard. We're going to get a Now? it was 250 something I don't know don't believe it you know brilliant Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu on this other level. So I – needless to say, I said, okay, then I want to test the skills. Were you trying to do it for pride? fighting for yourself but what is hard for a fighter is to come out and all these people know it doesn't really matter who wins. You know, if he's better at the game, he wins. If I'm better, I win. You know, it doesn't...

1:47:56 And then I say, yeah. what they think you fight really the best because it is not bad to lose you when they were going out to fight. He would say, I say it different. But if you lay on the ground, you know, it doesn't matter if you win or lose. Show me someone who hasn't made mistakes, and I'll show you someone who hasn't done anything. You watch. You know, if somebody hits a bag, I'm standing behind him,

1:50:39 He does this. Nick Diaz is fighting George St. Pierre. But Nick, he has to be on the ground. So that pressure maybe already took care of a little bit of his stamina. But the way George was fighting last time I would say, oh, half guard, you know. tap cyborg off his back. he's been beating guys up on the feet. on a takedown, because I think the takedown will be there

1:53:10 in the championship rounds try to pull guard like he did with Cyborg Fatigue makes cowards out of men. But I was really about to stop almost, you know. Yeah, Nick's not going to run out of gas. Yes, there's that. You heard all these stories in Japan that they put something in your water. You're an idiot. That should be a penalty for that. You know, it's hard now because I had that neck surgery.

1:55:59 Wow, so you're going to have to have another operation. You've been dealing with this for years now. Well, we train. But I got the control for that. What about the wear and tear, though, from doing that? And those are bad injuries the whole time, you know. Watch for cuts. But that started since Carlo, They just don't care. EliteMMAGym.com. really great coach.

1:58:52 Now he's, of course, he's still in Holland because the funeral was a couple of days ago that he had a heart attack we're talking about you know, in Thailand for these kids who had It's fucked up. He was healthy. It heals fast, and I think it comes because of my eczema that I had, really bad eczema. It's lumps. it's alleviated some of the pressure? My shit's fucked up right now, but it's just because I got three massages in one day, which never do that ever.

2:01:46 There's no time to recoup also. No, not at all always think that I just say But amazing if you see like seven workouts further. But I watch out with hyperextending when I do that. And that was in October. And your neck, when the first operation, But they only were like 30% or a little bit less. especially all this experience with your body breaking down,

2:04:30 I will make that one of my primary things, you know, watching TV. Don't dehydrate yourself. You're dehydrating yourself. I hang, and I just hang and I stretch my arms out. How many of the guys you run into that have these issues? I believe that's a C7 or 8 or something, I think. So that's good. When I grab something, it's really weird. former UFC champion, that's got to be really disturbing.

2:07:19 I have no cartilage on my kneecaps. Alatrash at the Curlin Job told me that's grass and it's strong again that's how cartilage works he says but if you have none there's no way Everything hurts. Yeah, but they do it. You can't do anything. Like between the knees, between your upper leg and your bend it, it already moved again. So whatever they attach it, it's in constant motion. You can't do anything. Like between the knees, between your upper leg and your lower leg, yeah, there's stuff that they can put in between and resurface. And they do

2:09:33 That's where you see the top of his knee. But I can see where the kneecap goes through. That is crazy. He's happy with it. He still trains. I can jump. And I think that just scratched everything off. I got to go through it. You look crazier back at life. oh, I realized it was all meditation. you know, the worst thing that can happen, you knock out, you're not going to feel it. Okay, you're going to get submitted, you tap and it's over. Okay. Okay,

2:12:35 All right, but Maru Schmidt, I was going to give Kousaka a high kick. That was the UFC, my first UFC fight. and I told him I say you should be quiet he says boss you're probably the only guy who listens to I say, dude, you want to go to Roppongi tonight? It's just a distraction. moving on to next phase? No, no, no. For me, it's just a good place that I can go and train. I can

2:14:33 Try it out. I got to do the fight classes with the guys. We broke even at the other place. and their bodies say, hey, man, you can do that shit. Yeah, I got Rodrigo Carvalho. I said, You think you can do it? He won gold again. because we're not pulling it now right now. At 4 o'clock most of the time. You'll be, yeah. It's cool for the kids. Safe. Of course, yeah.

2:17:43 oh, you don't have to lock your doors because it's so safe. Thousand Oaks is the middle of fucking nowhere. Yeah, you get that breeze from the ocean, too. It was fucking nuts. because I save them up for that time, I listen to audible.com. It's amazing. Was this like on the radio they had these? I have always satellite radio. I mean, she goes head to head with the prosecutor,

2:20:23 Yeah, if you don't know that story, But now all the blood was there She says, no, I want a white one because she didn't want to attract attention. When you see someone crazy like that just one day whacks out and just stabs the shit out of somebody and shoots them. Oh, my God. and it's like, She's already done the worst, he has a great saying And so this fucking guy, I mean, you listen to some of the text messages

2:22:40 people very crazy people but some of my wife um the karate i i forgot I used to do street karate. Here Comes the Boom, you know. This close, right? no. He goes first with his elbow. He goes to me. He does it to me. This close, right? Shaking. He says, ah. He says, and I grab him. And now he kept eye contact with me right and he grabs he says i go they were waiting for my reaction because they were

2:25:13 the face, the facial life seven times. that the backstage camera for here comes the boom I said this is a true story Right. where guys are demonstrating techniques and how they're going to work. They know. you could see how they could get some weak people that would really fall into it. Come on. they'll earn it just by being amazing. It's not possible.

2:28:30 and then yeah that's the best one drop it yeah i go blank that means you don't think right he couldn't even like eight pushups it was like I have somebody in a rear naked choke. to go, if you touch my eye, I'm going to break your neck, okay? Let's go. Then my eye hurts. Yeah, really. Yeah, it's fucking hard. And I cannot fight without rules, too, right?

2:31:11 I won't name the guy videos doing nunchucks And we were on the show once, you know, Not me, man. although eye pokes are pretty fucking successful in the UFC. It said that his master could, with point pressure, they could knock you out. we invite him. We pay him. You know him also, right, my buddy? So I go to him here, I go, I want to know how it feels.

2:33:42 And in the corner, he stands like this like i mean crazy and he runs towards his friend and he goes like this Yeah, really angry. it doesn't work. I say, I'm going to be like who's a student, and trick them like that A knife is dangerous than a gun, on a short distance at least. And it's that guy's fault. He had a bad... He's like, what the fuck? was a fake name that he created he was a fake brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt and he had his

2:36:40 lot of guys who believe stuff. And they put a cover of magazines and they're this and they're that and they're nobodies. The thing is this. I always explained to my buddy, Amir Perez, always would say it. How many dojo fighters you know that tear up everybody, including the professionals, I don't believe people saying that you're good. BossRutan. B-A-S-R-U-T-T

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