Joe Rogan Experience #682 — Mark & Chris Bell Transcript

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0:00 All right, we're live gentlemen. What's up? Hey now, thanks for doing this. Appreciate it. Thank you bigger stronger faster. It was uh, Did it bore you the first time, or why didn't you watch it all the way through? Great documentary, and interesting and honest it was really hilarious when you're going over the And they don't want to hear it because they don't, there's like a, there's a narrative that we're being taught in this country or that we're being told to embrace.

1:55 Yeah, he wasn't even supposed to run. enlightening too. When you were talking to that guy that was saying that they had found out about it from the Russians or however they were getting their hands on it once it was manufactured. I was just telling people that the strongest shit i ever took they made illegal but you used to more dangerous than the actual real testosterone blow you and all kinds of

4:15 I got lucky. uh different things like i don't know how much that's linked to testosterone levels or not like They don't identify as female. You're like, I'm good. issue for about six or seven years now and he's actually going to be on my show uh coming up He's a good woman now. But people actually getting mad and committing hate crimes and stuff, to me, is just disgusting.

6:45 I think there's more awareness and more acceptance and we're worried about that. Cops busted our brother with steroids. Well, I had talked to a guy who's a cop I used to work out with, and he had a rational explanation. That's great. but that's probably the easier route, right? But that's not going to protect you from guns and knives and all that gun defense stuff.

9:07 Oh, testing-wise. Well, they encouraged it. And he's like, no, the steroids are getting the wit. 185 and he's like but I don't weigh 185. I like way 180 right now. He's like no idea starts again with What a fucking gorilla. Oh, shit, man. which we're really closely associated with. It's a drug, and it's an illegal drug. He would be purple in his fucking arms, his veins.

11:38 He was on so much shit. Well when he was 200 pounds he was like the perfect size because Vito has like a size 8 foot I know. he's knocking out Luke Rockhold, It's a therapeutic use? And most of them, it's because of steroid use. hormone and basically go to your doctor give me growth hormone to see if they would do it for the movie. Right. Well, they also, they say,

14:22 A good documentary to me. oh cool you need to hire Oh, the guy who, yeah. Do you know the process? all those injuries that he built over time. That was amazing. Seeing Joe Biden talent. Like, what? like what a third string baseball It's like, this is people, these are these heroes to these kids up there that are completely looking like idiots. It seems like a plot in a movie.

17:28 Like you would put it in your whole body? Yeah. this hand eye coordination thing that you wouldn't believe how it tells you like what position your to find out what sport they should do. What the fuck He goes in and basically like And they decide, well, we want our kid to be a father's like you know similar similar you know similar to me you know like

20:18 It's a good deal. It's an amazing phenomenon to see parents now getting into, like, how am I going to help my kid cheat? is going to be in a year is it going to be in a decade it's gonna happen if we What's your take on it? What I do all the time, the cryogenic freeze tanks. Yeah, you want to feel better, look better. And the same commercials for TRT, I don't know if you noticed, but during the World Series, the same sport that they condemn for steroids, during the commercial break, the

23:16 Abuse of anything is bad, whether it's abuse of alcohol. There's a lot more going on with that story that I put in the movie, and that was to protect the kids. Well, that makes sense because that's why he had this thought in his head. There's no, you know, if you look at, you can look at, like I said, anecdotal evidence There's no depression test. though when um you know that kid he just stopped cold turkey you know he stopped the steroids right

25:59 That does get you depressed, and that's a big issue with fighters and football players You ever pose a question to this, like, you know, He'll tell you one of the best things they can do to treat these concussions and traumatic And the reason why is because IVs and use of IVs can mask some of the signs of steroids. orally i've heard that's bullshit i've heard that's true i don't know what's right i'd have

28:17 The rehydration orally, if it's not effective, is if you fight in a dehydrated state and you get rattled, your brain bleeds. You just have to make the weight 4 o'clock on Friday. I think that for fighters that are tweeners, there's guys that are a bit too big for this weight, but a little bit too small for that weight. Yeah, absolutely. Fuck, we have MusclePharm that sponsors the UFC.

30:05 Yeah, absolutely. No, I need to burp up fish oil. I'm convinced of that. I need to have 20 pills a day. If you're trying to like prevent heart disease and all these things like that, they're saying know certain things I take because I oh I heard this works for you know alpha all the stuff like that so you got to look at it like they say you need certain precursors to be

32:36 Dude, it's good stuff for you. It's healthy. fruits and things like that. You got to choke it down. that was like a real eye-opener to find that like somebody as busy as yourself goes out of their way to find like good Contaminated, that's what it is, yeah. So she must be working. you're dealing with a level of performance that they're requiring of their body that's so extreme.

35:15 They can get through a six to eight You hear about all that? Five different people McGregor had been getting stem cell shots in his knee. It's got to be the toughest sport. It's like truly baffled by it. makes sense. It really makes sense. for the NFL, those are fucking Both his brothers say they kick his ass. I was like, Jesus Christ. A lot of shit must have got broken in that house.

37:35 And that goes a long way. Fuck out Fucking Like a They're just Used to pick His brother was talking all kinds of shit that he would kick his brother's ass. His brother Arthur's more than 300 pounds. but I don't think the girls have caught up to where the guys are at. That was a fight companion one, right? To the point where you're watching and saying, please stop this fight.

39:39 That's got to be cool calling that stuff, It was a piece of history, I felt. Like, there's never been, like, a hot chick that actually can fuck up a lot of dudes. You'd be like, oh, shit. Your heart would drop. would drop you're like this bitch is gonna beat my ass yeah right She goes, but I don't have matches. That's for sure. I've seen her tap guys.

41:19 There's a video of her with Luke Rockhold. I'm like, whoa. You got guys, I know you talk about it a lot in your podcast, you get into steroids here and there. Like, he had traps. Yes, 100%. Yeah, but there's guys who fought on it. goosey test yeah exactly that's hilarious so all they're so what they they saying is we're going to have to allow a certain amount of cheating to win.

43:46 Yeah, now they allow 4, right? I want to see a non-tested UFC and have the guys weigh like over 300 pounds. Then you know how to fight and it ruins the fun. I think body weight or body, how lean you are is probably a big thing, too. skills and they can avoid the bum rush for the So I think a guy like Cain Velasquez is always about 240. not to go to Mexico City.

45:43 But Fabricio was breathing heavy. I was like, I can't believe these guys are going to fight. But Fabrizio was real smart. He moved to a place that's a thousand feet above that Everybody is fucked It's interesting you bring up those two fighters. You want to be big enough so that you can Brock Lesnar's an animal. The first thing we're going to do is we're going to do nothing

47:44 shit built into your neurons. We're gonna hit you gonna do pad work you're gonna do technique work, and we're gonna have that shit built into your neurons otherwise you're gonna miss giant chunks of the development because you just get a fucking swing Beat the shit out of Frank Mir. Yeah. He just stepped down and relinquished his title because of concussions.

49:27 And come back. But after the fight's over, if I'm analyzing it from a rational standpoint, I'm always And you probably see the eyes and everything, right? Yeah you get into that like were you were you fighting before way before like, what is going on? We couldn't believe it. in. I came in while it was banned. We need to take this over, that kind of thing.

51:50 And he was like, I don't know. They might think it's fixed. Right. Like, well, is that really? Yeah, sure. Right. Mike's Hardcore Fighting Championship. then wcw came along and they started getting popular but then you know now the w now the look, let's just get the fuck out of here. And when they're gone, everybody's going to miss them. They lose too much money you know it's just i've been i was lucky enough to get in on the last uh the last

55:07 But if you look at it right now, Tim Kennedy said it best recently. Yeah, it looked like Reebok got a pretty good deal from what I heard. Yeah, wearing a tap out and wears, yeah. Lots of fighters are complaining. The brand's still the brand. Right. And everybody's going to associate that brand with it. Is fire the head guy and change the brand. The brand's still the brand.

56:37 It's great to be in business with a big brand. and someone says, holy shit, Chris Bell just went off about that, But him saying that and then getting fired for it it compounds the issue people react Everybody's going to hate Reebok. The Slingshot that I had you throw on earlier. How muchyoubench.net. It looks like a straight jacket, but I did an 854 pound bench press in the 275 pound weight class and then without a bench shirt my best bench press is 560 pounds in competition

59:14 What do those things do? Then they started making them out of a pair of fucking jeans. bad with a 1085 you fell i fucking I fucking fell. Well, what happened was, the other knee shoots out the other way, I'm going to the doctor so I just from lifting? No, I'm not that bad. Well, shoulders are a big one for guys who bench that much, right? No. No. You didn't? No, I don't like going to? Yeah. So did you get it stitched back in? No.

1:01:53 I never tore it. ball. It looks crazy. You know, like, there's Yeah, I don't mind it just from crazy lifting in general like ever you know pretty much everybody we know has some sort is just slowing down in your workouts, That's the girl in the sundress? It creates some tightness around the hips and kind of gives you some support through your hips.

1:04:21 Yeah, and so when it happened and it wasn't it didn't hurt that bad hypers in the back. It are awesome. It's an incredible machine Of course. And Louie Simmons was somebody that inspired me to do things differently, to think differently, use chains and bands. It basically makes you drive into the bar faster. You have to do it quickly. How much does a chain weigh normally?

1:07:05 Oh, yeah, inches too. And when I was a kid I was squatting, you know 500 for sets of eight reps and people like what what is he squatted? The director of Bigger, Stronger, Faster, ladies and gentlemen. And that was the whole genesis for that movie, What was it that pushed you over the edge He's always had kind of a conflict with his, like, build. That's a lot of fucking weight.

1:09:22 I was training at Gold's Venice. You know what? they'll figure out a way to... to the Hulkster? I saw it. You're not into wrestling, are you? Well, I was into it in high school. Where was this? 50 bucks. just passed away. That was the It always bummed me out. Our older brother was always beating somebody up. definitely out of shape, yeah. It's really strange.

1:12:19 You know, bump means bump around the ring. sense like fuck you I'm not falling down. And then you flipped him over and pinned him, so you ended up winning. Yeah, these old guys will stiff you. I'm watching. He's such a freak. Probably Oxycontin. Oh, my God. Yeah, like these guys are wrestling 390 year which is crazy like you don't you can't recover you just can't recover

1:15:04 It's a documentary He's fucking crazy fit for an old dude. And I just really believed in it. And he's like, okay, we've got to slow you down to keep you at like 145. You do the down, you kind of, and then you flex like this and you hold it, and it's kind of fun, you know? I mean, I can barely walk. He's like, you need two new hips. So they were, like, smashed into the, you know, into your hip socket.

1:17:31 My dad has two fake hips now, but he didn't get them until way later. as you know you know as me so I I got it from my dad you know, he doesn't have two fake hips, and he's the same genetics, you know, as me. Both my knees need to be replaced, but I'm just sort of. and there was a certain point when I got the hip surgery that I wasn't able to handle it anymore,

1:19:06 Yeah, you get hooked on drugs. one done at a time because at least you have one side that's good and the other side that How old were you? He wasn't even walking with a limp. I was like this is crazy. You had a hip replacement I gotta get it in there like what the like, what the fuck? That's his neck, man. You know, not a very good deadlift in Mark's world, but, you, but for having the surgery and everything, it's okay.

1:21:20 People always want to concern themselves with what you're doing. He couldn't give me that. u.s ski team and uh he's had no bullshit i think 28 knee surgeries wow yeah he's got i'll show you Yeah. Frankenstein. I'm going to try to hold it off as long as possible, Well, I know that they're doing, they have this new meniscus surgery that they're doing

1:23:38 Let me show you. Yeah. That's fucking He still spars MMA on a regular basis. He's the guy who talked me into doing stand-up. I do. Okay, give it a plug. model. It's not my brightest idea. beautiful thing, man. You never hear that. You usually hear the exact opposite. Well, you know instructing them because i think that uh the main message is to get people moving get people doing

1:26:38 And you know what, too, is what ends up happening they do know I'm associated with it. YouTube.com backslash super training 06 know if he was injecting it, but he was definitely snorting it and different things like Yeah, he ended up going down like a really bad, you know, just a a bad spiral you know and he was on some uh psych And there I am on the floor scrambling,

1:29:27 with himself more so than anything else. He was on that, doing the rounds I don't know if he got? Yeah, he was wrestling with WWE. He was sort of doing the rounds. 1992 or so, 93, something like that. He wanted to make it. it's hard to get satisfied with certain things. Yeah. You know, my father was somebody who like put his foot down and was helping him get clean. And,

1:32:05 It is. When you've been sorts of other stuff. Halfway through the film on prescription brutal you know the ups and downs and oh i have an audition for something yeah seeing other people some documentaries but I get more bummed out Yeah, I could have done that People go, well, you did this hit movie. this feeling of inadequacy. You feel like, oh, man, you know, I, you know.

1:34:45 I don't really answer my phone a whole lot. And for whatever reason, I didn't have her number in my phone. how I'm gonna find him or and I was kind of like whoa like what do you mean you don't know how you're going to find him? I don't have the energy to fucking go down that road again. away, make sure he's okay. Talk to my wife. My wife's fucking awesome. She's super supportive

1:37:04 I didn't document all the stuff that went down, like, leading up to it. So you said you relapsed on Xanax. There's always I can't go to sleep. My mind is always racing. There's always another idea in the head. There's always, I can't go to sleep. So I've tried the float chambers. I've tried stuff like that. I can't It's amazing to be able to say. 90 days.

1:38:55 And I wasn't really doing Xanax at the time. So what do they do that's so successful? He goes back and opens the door. He goes, what day is it? And they said, it's, you know, Friday. I didn't have hookers. The main thing was therapy. eventually my parents moved out here. And we do have a close family too. We have a really close and not want to be analyzed, you know, and these guys will break them down until they're,

1:42:08 was your dad saying that he knew that your older brother was going to die that way. My mom cries and she's like, well, why didn't you tell me? and you tend to habituate the things that make you feel good. maybe because you never got actual treatment how do you get addicted in the first place but you weren't because you were off of it for a long time, right?

1:44:23 So you did your documentary bigger stronger Oh. I think they left that. But I didn't have any tools The first time when you had the first problem? But it doesn't get you high. and I had to pay about $225 to $250 for the drug, and insurance doesn't cover any of that. It's built into the system. So they lied and said that you will not get addicted using this drug.

1:48:12 So this is really fresh for you. So the feeling that you get when you have this relapse with Xanax, Yeah, I think I went with some serious bouts of drinking but it wasn't like nobody really knows Like we were never into drinking. a documentary about prescription drugs while you're hooked on prescription drugs? Guilty. And like he didn't he cared about me and wanted to help me, but he didn't know how to help me.

1:51:14 A whole quarter of a year. they know and it's just to be in that environment of solitude is just like an amazing feeling that way and I'm fucking blowing it. And that's what got to me. It was myself that got to me. they took you away from there and threw you in some shithole, right? and the guy just had compassion for me, Richard Tate, Jesus Christ.

1:53:39 have the money for the treatment everything so anyway throw you in this place it's not so good And I walk in, and I'm like, you're not going to like it in here. The pillows are really tough. Kind of. know um but i don't have any urges to anymore but it was that facility that um that really like LA and I would I would work on the movie the rest of the time wow it's pretty twisted but it

1:56:03 Yeah, you basically just need yeah you know basically like you know you'd be like bummed you'd be grumpy because it was a part of you just in your everyday You just felt like something was missing from your life, and that's what led you to just start getting fucked up. I mean, just for like years, I just felt shitty. You know, I just didn't feel good.

1:57:48 like he didn't give a fuck. So he was only in LA and we were in Sacramento, but, um, it wasn't, you know, not that far. They're like, oh, I'm doing good. good you know they just leave it at that and you kind is helping other people and I think it's beautiful it's like that the thing now The people that run these treatment centers, they must feel like they're combating vampires or something.

1:59:49 But it doesn't work that way. It's like sick. Chris Lieben's in my movie. And it's hard to get off of that shit. Like, it's in this country are addicted to pain pills? 2 million people are hooked on pain pills? Two million people are hooked on that shit? I think so. So that's enough to medicate say that again say that Is that the idea? if you wanted to do something about it and you're a congressman right and you're like you know what

2:03:13 They're one of the biggest contributors to these campaigns. So people don't really have a vested That's what's really fucked up. Morphine and heroin are like really closely related. I don't understand that. But what about pills? But that's not really true unless he's on morphine. And you think that, like, that's an epidemic. and then the mom convinces the daughter she doesn't have ADHD and she shouldn't

2:06:33 It says every prescription painkiller so I can see it? Either way, that number is insane. once they did that, the sales dropped 80%. And then they dropped 80% of their profits and they stuck with it. So it costs a lot of money and a lot of money through the FDA Who are these monsters that are making this stuff? good or bad? And we look at it and go

2:09:50 But beyond that, beyond the scope of that, Yeah. and I see it. It hits them, and it's like lot of people, like more necessarily, but like in the lower back because of the hips were messed up and because of my knees Okay, so I thought that was bad. it'd be like you know 10 vicodin 10 soma you know he was taking muscle relaxers painkillers he said A vampire with a boner.

2:12:50 Driving asleep? He opens up For being asleep too Arrhythmia Because he did a lot of Big bottles. $28,000 worth of pills in a week? Well, anyway, so my friend Luther Raines, Somehow, miraculously, the part of the brain that is – like 30% of his brain got killed during the stroke. And he goes around and talks to kids and churches and things like that.

2:15:17 Jesus fucking Christ. I love that one day we were eating with him. I'm like, this guy's amazing. What is going many bottles. And then he puts down Oh, my God. It was amazing. He's a lot of fun. Eight million people abuse it every year? Jesus Christ. That's a lot of drugs. A doctor went to school. had a brother who died of it you had been been hooked on it yourself. You've been doing a documentary about

2:19:20 it as a person can be. It's like if you can get somebody before they ever experience it, that's definitely really love working with kids and helping them out like what is it yeah um i think um seeing my older brother um like um he just like his life was uh And my parents are about as awesome a parents as you can have. I know you're not driving and causing a lot of other problems.

2:22:15 So for me, I was like, well, I'm taking them legitimately. And then I just talked to one of my buddies at the gym. You're just so addicted right also told my friend though, too i was like dude like i'm gonna come back to you for more don't Right. I wonder if it's the responsibility of having children just keeps you from being an adult. for the most part unless you know somebody

2:24:50 know there were for a while a couple years ago and they shut these all down there were pill mills that if you get a way more drugs made than are actually on the take what the fuck a lot of money be made and it's killing people like vampires yeah but we Yeah, a lot of the numbers, but also I interviewed this woman, Gwen Olson. And it's not about health.

2:27:24 You know, I think people that stop taking money from pharmaceutical companies, that's a so many billions of dollars? How do you stop it, and how do you level it out? You know, I think people that stop taking money from pharmaceutical companies, I'm not going to take, you know, it's the same thing with oil or any of everything's sort of going organic it's's easier to find, as hard as it is sometimes to find good food, it's also a lot easier than it used to be.

2:29:00 seems like the amount of money is so fucking terrifying and that these to make the exception every parent i talked to says yeah yeah but my kid's different because i Sit there and you're just supposed to absorb just fucking hours on end. There's a lot of people Creativity is more important than knowledge. I mean, there's just There's just nothing to fix it.

2:31:54 Well, let me know when that happens, and I'd be happy to tweet about it and let everybody know about it and put it up on Facebook and whatnot. years, writing a bunch of scripts, getting really close. You know how it is. You're really close to The second film I did was called Trophy Kids. I did that with Peter Berg, was the executive producer of that. And that was a film that because of Bigger, Stronger, Faster, Pete's

2:33:45 Yeah. But yeah, that film's really interesting because parents nowadays are you know, killing you. And that's why the referees make me want to pull my hair out. lamborghinis easy and who who measures their wealth in lamborghinis first of all yeah that's great job with it. I thought it was awesome. listen i got a fucking project now yeah turn this kid in and it worked but meanwhile the kid didn't

2:36:41 And he was withdrawing from heroin so bad that he had shit his pants and he had thrown to somebody else's kid, make him a fucking like you know i wanted to be like theater and drama i wanted to do these other you know things that stuff it was sort of hard to tell everybody like And when is this new one coming out? Mark Smelly Bell, I shaved my balls for this interview, so I appreciate it.

2:38:54 All right. See you guys tomorrow.