Joe Rogan Experience #760 — Doug Duren & Nathan Ihde Transcript

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0:00 In Creole, they would say Dubai. Yeah. Hold on a second. Shows the state. Little deer in it. that uh they found that there's a huge led by Newcastle University in the UK has shown that both organic milk and organic meat That's not what they were made to eat. It does so many bad things. Yeah, it makes so much sense to me that just from a common sense level that this is going to be the best thing for the animal.

3:36 Well, because they used to be fed corn. So now I've got a herd of Herefords that I bought last year. like a black Angus or a red Angus cross breed Yeah, the efficiency of how they'll put weight on. And they sort of have the ability to kind of eat. Oh, no, that's exactly right. Where Nate and I both grew up, and you saw our farm, a lot of pasture, fields, that sort of thing.

7:24 And you were always sort of aiming to get the most out of each one of those animals. where you have these cows jammed into these warehouses and chickens and the same thing steering it anyway and you know going through the field and they're probably wisconsin i was six i That was a facility where we raised pigs. on the it was a television or like? How did this go down?

10:12 So there was a big shift. It was a systematic shift to the corporate and there's some sense i want to say there's some sense in it but that's probably not uh completely i mean you understand that efficient getting you know it's the american way you get There's half as many people in our area as there were when I was a kid. On a business scale, you can afford to sell a product cheaper if you're doing it bigger.

12:23 Like, you're talking about massive, massive quantities. And so that's also where they're, you know, shitting. One of the reasons why I wanted to talk to you about this is because I think that most of us, and I am to a lesser extent because it's just a little bit different on our farm. But how much more expensive is it, say, like with But the meat production, I try to take care of a certain amount of families, you know, and when they need meat, I have it.

15:40 They'll go in on like a side of beef. but the steers all had the same name and that was dinner and a steer for people don't So we gave Sarah and Art these this quarter of beef and we're making a presentation of it. from the time you're really young you've been there from i mean it's a part of your life yeah um and they're out walking around they're laying on the hillside they're chewing their cud man it's

19:10 supermarket and buying it already done for them to be sort of uh forced to look at that whole and um and i you know i also want to say i don't take it lightly at all we load up a cow or a steer that comes with interacting with 20 million people versus 20 people. When you're around 20 people, you have a talent of 20 people, You'll never forget that one. You'll never forget that one.

21:17 When you have, you know, how many cows you have now? It is a big moment. I'll do it when it needs to be done. Yeah. The place I go to is called Driftless Meats in Viroqua, You know, it's very stress-free. That's what I think is unfortunate about the exaggerations of some of their claims, because Yeah. The guy they said was from Wisconsin, was from South Dakota?

26:03 Yeah, yeah. And that's the shame of it is because they're environmentalists too. guys talking about this. You've got these guys talking about this. We're all veganism and religion and if you look at a lot of their ideologies they're very similar in a lot of ways to religious zealots like Well, not only, forget about the canine teeth. fact. Essential part of evolution. Yeah, it is. So I think, if I could speak for them, if I could play the devil's advocate, their point of view is now we have evolved to a point where we don't need to do this anymore.

29:31 Or we had this guy that Rob Wolf was arguing on Twitter who said animal fat is toxic. it before at all right these people were eating blubber and fat and seals and and whatever fish Like sodium nitrite? if you put them both on the same shelf and sat for a week, Like, why do we think flesh is just going to sit around But the thing is, and I think the study is skewed because you talk about cancer and pH.

32:00 I'll look that up. That seems logical. And yours tastes very different, by the way. and you know and an elk cum or whatever the hell they got in their bodies i mean that's a healthy Oh, my God. I do have that count there And I'm going to help with this. 20,000. It's unnatural. to me. I don't think they want to be around Where Doug lives, opening day, like in the morning, when we were out in the blind, and

35:34 experience it was the first time i'd ever been a play where like when i had gone hunting before opening day in wisconsin shot a deer per second well that's a testament to how many there are There's a lot. 50,000. could feed that entire state of the deer population that's real because one deer you I think it was 0.6 something, I think is what they said on the movie.

38:29 Yeah, I balance that shit out. You're going to eat your finger, dude. One of the things that these folks were addressing in that documentary that I think didn't get to the heart of it all. You got your own spring. But we have too many Well, I have three kids. They're just going to fucking shoot jizz off all the land and make more boys. Settle down, fucker.

41:01 No, it's perfect. and other guys, I mean, people contend Okay, but just to play devil's advocate, because a lot of these guys, they love animals. play devil's advocate if these guys can stop eating meat and become vegans, why can't the world? That's different. And we're not here to throw punches. It's so fucking insane that growing vegetables has become a crime.

43:48 my buddy Gatlin, I already mentioned him, but he's got a, he on a whim. And he wants to do CBD oil extraction. It's called Grow Lucky. How lucky can I get? And there's a guy named Ron Finley that I had on before who was awesome. And he does it in abandoned lots. in the same places you have all of these trees why don't we do that and i was sitting there going why

46:15 this is his book, Restoration Agriculture. They're cleaning up the nuts that they didn't Dirt. Whoa, is this his stuff? Oh, that's cool. And the amount of food he can pull off that, Joe. So he says, and maybe Doug can find this, but. You've got to complete the cycle. Whoa. yeah frozen tundra let's go his point being that when we grow one crop on a although you can rotate crops through um but like on my place we're growing livestock we're

49:27 By sequestering the carbon, starting to pull it out. the streams were real wide when we were over pasturing. So there's trout in there now. All of those things are happening. you've got an acre of land, 43,560 square feet of that particular vegetable or those groups of vegetables. The next layer is the smaller trees like, you know, it's the same sort of thing. The next layer is the smaller trees like fruit trees and that sort of thing.

52:56 pigs through it because pigs are a great cleanup animal um after that comes turkeys and turkeys are You grow up. One thing that they said was, and where these livestock are living, that is area void of wildlife. They didn't understand the reason why they're starting to open up hunting seasons on wolves. what we're saying. It was a tough And what you're talking about here with this kind of a farm, man, you would need a giant fucking farm like that to feed Los Angeles.

55:56 Well, no one is. gosh people that care should really you know shove veganism and and you know Overeat anything. Because before that, it was really difficult to fertilize soil. I'm not suggesting we have like somehow or another chimpanzees aren't smarter than chimps but when it gets to intelligent animals that's when we get weird like Malaria has killed,

59:30 How about them apples? He's the best this guy is fucking him. You want to talk about an amazing human being this guy Right? You'd ignore it because it's little. Right? There's a weird hierarchy kill a rat in your garage if you if you're so hardcore you're not into killing rats i got a It was huge, man. I'm like, oh, shit, I got one. All that was left is the tail.

1:02:48 It was really bad. This was back in the days of phones, pay phones. They say that if you see one rat, there's 50 million around. Because there's not just one video of these. and the rat chases it down look at this because he's already winged him yeah but look at this the What else are you going to do? Always a problem with, you know, when you had grain around.

1:05:24 Look, there it goes again. Look at the back leg. That's how I explained it to my grandpa. Stop the fight! and no one lived in it for a long time. Oh, jeez. where they molted or whatever the word is for it. Well, that's the thing about, like, in my neighborhood, I see hawks all the time, he goes, oh, man, I just think they're trying to make a living, too.

1:08:14 And they took it down and killed it in his yard. it never seen anything how many coyotes well based on he didn't see how many but it was you know they adjusted. There's a house here and this fucking asshole over if you know anything about this, but to my knowledge too. The one thing you do not want to mess for the night. A piglet or an actual You'd be fucked.

1:11:04 He's my number one animal. Is that the other 50% of people that have died? For the first time, I actually saw one of my pigs eat a chicken. I had a coyote take a chicken from my yard or watch it hop the fence, Lot of it is a mother communicating with her young and I was pretty sure that this was hat what happened because my dog had let I mean, it is just, and it's still night, like out where we are, and it just resonates.

1:12:49 Yeah. He puts cat food. Depends on where you are. Only 5% of them had deer in their body. And, you know, there's a certain group of folks who are like, well, you know, they're just out there trying to make a living, too, until, you know, mittens and fee-fee get eaten. The actual, you know, they have stuffed animals. Bring that home. Well, honey. They're saying fucker?

1:15:42 Those are little creepers. I couldn't find any but one story recently. And one of the things with dairy farming, and I grew up dairy farming, Anyway. Well, again, it goes back to the calving thing. So it's funny to tell that story when I've been sending you all this shit about how nice my cows are and I can scratch their heads and stuff. brian cow might have been singing loud he was singing already and you guys smell different i

1:18:39 There is that video of that, and you see as you guys are walking in, And I wanted to throw rocks, too. And then they start shooting. Last year, it says there were 12 fatal pig attacks worldwide versus 10 shark fatalities. Actually, I've not. I'm like God there's fucking creepy things with their giant tusks and their black hair, and it just they look like demons

1:20:51 How dare you say no? He dies early in the show. Deer have killed people They don't play by our rules. food supply comes from yeah we're so you know we're above it. You know, that's our psyche. Well, we're also, we're just not used to being around them. We shot a couple more episodes of Meat Eater that will be coming out here in the next couple of weeks.

1:22:54 they'll come out and stuff like that. And if you start feeding wild animals, they kind of become domesticated. look at that and he goes what the fuck is that i go it's a deer he's like that's a real animal it we have a a rule um i don't think that you were up by my cabin, but Brian was. And my wife said, you know, can you not That's okay? She allows the

1:25:01 Really? So texture-wise, I mean, I've ate raccoon. Seriously. Yeah, it's a beaver farm. People bring in all their stuff, too. Like, it's a fucking raccoon, man! We'll plug those guys down in Hill Point, you know. Yeah, yeah, they just have a gigantic bear Oh, yeah. I mean, there might be, and it could be bear, it could be. Was it a good grease? Is it

1:28:06 Are you talking about bear or raccoon? So what's that? Right. Well, he shot a bear in Alaska in the fall, and it had been just feasting on blueberries. You are literally supplying nutrients to your cells, to your food. No, like an orange like a carrot. You know? Like, you got to be in Wisconsin to understand it? So, yeah. We just think about this tastes good.

1:30:50 no pasta, no rice, no nothing. My body fat's decreased pretty significantly. I eat occasional piece of fruit, blueberries and things along those lines. Yeah, inflammation. which takes about two weeks, which I just started getting into. it's like, but I'm sold two weeks in. I don't like it in the fact that if I go to a restaurant What they've said, what people have hypothesized and the theories are that your gut bacteria controls a lot of your appetite.

1:33:36 You still want some pie. Bread, to me, looks like, why don't you eat stuffing out of a mattress I haven't eaten it in two weeks. None of it looked good. And I said, well, what does it hurt for me to try this out? They come from different parts of the world. All the places where I got this advice was from my accountant. And honestly, God, 18 months, I've been taking a probiotic every morning, and I haven't done anything else different.

1:36:54 It sucks. I had never caught it. And he gives me these horse pills of death. It kills all the healthy flora, too. It's also like for people that are vegan, there's some different probiotics I build and manage athletic fields. compost from both a facility nearby from the county, but also from a supplier and applying it's healthier um you know we're kind of going the other we're going the other direction in

1:41:08 course that from day one was, and it's actually certified organic, but it's been a part of And so it fixes nitrogen into the soil that's then available for the grasses. and it's kind of like what you were talking about when you're talking about these really And you're like, wow, this guy's a genius. I love cities. Yeah. Yeah. What he does is he sets up this perimeter fence, this large, like mildly charged fence.

1:44:00 They're essentially grazing off acorns, things along those lines, It was thick with fat from acorns and its texture. and he finishes his beef with corn, But I can tell you when it was fat cattle, they call them. where they massage them Wagyu it's like why And how you helped out was to help them load the veal. i don't understand it i don't understand how it got started and i don't understand why people keep eating it

1:47:52 But isn't lye poisonous? I just got to say that. Yeah, it's weird. What does it taste like? So you try, you know, my thing was, out of respect, I'd take a bite of lutefisk and then, Is this a secure food show here? You eat the whole thing, right? He made the shrug. Well, you got to do what you got to do if you're hungry. That's how we make money. so i wouldn't look it up but uh uh so it's a sportsman's club and in casanova which is you

1:50:56 Well, we have this little lake, Lee Lake, there in Casanova, just fyi dog they are online but all they have is all, but all they have is the phone number. Yeah, so those are different ways that, and some of the stuff that we've also done is So this is things like wrestling team country road and you see someone broken down, hand up like this or anything, but at least you're driving around.

1:53:35 You're fucking waving to everybody that passed you. like with New York and L.A. and things along those lines, Are you a fan of pirates? know uh well they have a very we'll get into that there's uh this specific pirate his whole you know You know, I mean, that's not a very nice way to look at things, you know, Nothing else at all. You could look at it that way.

1:56:18 it's one of the one things that people don't talk about about living in urban environments that stuff. and these assholes from Europe and were polluted they started going after these guys and kidnapping them then they realized hey we get to all, instead of images. Caffeinone, or it's an amphetamine. Well that's the thing too you know You know, everybody's got a, you know, they've got a reason to fight.

1:59:10 They had to just adapt, large scale human beings living in these giant civilizations, They're dredging it up now and starting to clean it and trying to really impose very strict regulations on the amount of waste that gets in it. Oh, yeah. I always wondered why they weigh them. tar down and then go over the top of it and i could have a pea gravel type thing with pea gravel stuff and it all binds together and then over time people

2:01:40 Liquid manure? And just to illustrate the double standard, I've got family that is in the septic business. And if they do it over. And if he does it on a certain grade, he'll get a giant fine from the DNR. Because cow shit is just they're eating grass. We compost it. cow conspiracy documentary certainly agree with is that there's something evil about these ag gag

2:04:09 So Spy Drone exposes Smithfield Foods factory farms. but to bring it all home all right look at this it's the lagoon or the color does it just sit Oh, my God. It's evil. Probably is a good word. But no, I mean, if that's what the argument is, then you're not paying attention. Right, right. this in Yellowstone and a lot of places that have elk, is that they don't kill, like a

2:07:44 and the way it did it was it attacked the cow elk, They do it for fun, and it's what they're designed for. And wolves are dangerous. you do i go bowling i shoot wolves like they're fucking trying to take out as many wolves as they And it's sort of like the deer thing. how these animals are essentially in a lot of ways they're like a livestock almost. Well. Non-fenced in.

2:10:20 show started that Rinella killed that was on a show recently, which is enormous, beautiful, majestic public land mule deer that he killed. So if you have a buck that you're managing for bigger bucks and you start seeing one that maybe has a distinctive antler or something so you can tell it from other ones, you'll begin to realize, you know, that great big one that I shot,

2:11:18 Yeah. I'm like, this is so bizarre because it's in a lot of ways you're kind of farming And I do it too. And what's good for deer is generally Yeah. But he took them apart. I mean, he gets plenty of offers to hunt on private land. that's really important to me um because I struggle with that a little bit. important like like the the animal that got winged in the neck because he's going by that that the

2:15:45 the next hunt was Coincidentally, I was in town Callan and I, we made a commitment to it. Yeah, that's shit on a stick, which is still, I think, is still the number one meat-eater Just to have a bunch of guys hanging out, having a good time on your farm, like sort of a flat area, We saw turkeys. We would have made it. i know i got the fire in the belly dude you said that yeah that's what i'm here for drive all the

2:18:44 She's been doing jiu-jitsu with Anthony, with Tony Bourdain. So Steve says, you know, I think we have to have them do ground blinds and you know how hard that was when we We would just pull stuff together and kind of make a little bit. Stuff that was just laying around. There you go. loose when it was set in whoever set it in um just because we changed scopes i had a leopold

2:21:09 It was a poke. So they have a very light trigger, but it won't go off accidentally. Doug's famous. And most things everybody says. And it was a shot that, in retrospect, I kind of wish I wouldn't have taken, Yeah. and you're in there toasty. I missed out on the biggest buck opportunity of my life I'm like, what? He's like, didn't you are you doing? I get up. I'm like, what?

2:24:16 You thought it was too small? You ever been shining? No. for poaching, right? Yeah. That's right. sense to do that we had too many people filming and you know the filming thing so we built cool They broke down completely by themselves. So did everybody shoot a deer? I filled the freezer this year. He's actually from our area there. You know, I'm so close to it I can't necessarily say.

2:27:25 one season of deer so what when does the season start there's an archery season first yeah archery But our archery season coincides with that first part of November, it has a fucking scope on it yeah it sure does that's great it's a magnification scope you put that bow hunting is for people who don't have enough to do. Yeah. I've got all of these other things that I need to be doing during that period of time.

2:30:34 Until the 1st of January. Right. It's so much more exciting. You got me. And here's the thing about muskets. The aerodynamics are old. Well, fucking I don't know. You've got a rifle. You can accurately judge just like you can with a rifle. The Civil War! Boom! And then you're on the run. Do you've got to have your bayonet for the finish. That's the... Ah! You know? The Civil War!

2:33:14 Yes. Hoyt, um, and, uh, I like bow, and I'll shoot it once in a while. I think it's like a mid-80? Like one of them bamboo ones? Fucking. Why don't you just use a slingshot? Whitetail hunting, there's guys who spend a lot of time doing that. Don't go bow hunting. To me, it's a nice, peaceful meditation type of a thing. It's nice fucking huge long-distance range. But I think that it's a nice meditation. It's nice to do.

2:36:10 compound bow they use recurve because they like not being accurate at all they're like they're Yeah. God damn, that was an amazing show. Yeah, there's the bows that these guys had. And these guys are just like nailing them one after another. So it's like distorted where the actual fish is. Spearing. in boston and there was a area by the waterfall where the carp would pool up and it was incredible

2:39:17 and people don't like them for whatever silly reason. and you know and knowing like how to prepare it is is a big part of the responsibility of hunting He showed you how to prepare it and how to cook it properly They show the antlers. pretend you know we're out here hunting you know you gotta use fucking piles of corn out there That's interesting. you know and i've even heard it uh said that um

2:42:33 Well, I don't know. okay, that's not even real. these things in this 100-acre fenced-in area where they're letting these animals out of I'm sure they're delicious. It looks like walnuts. and you've got this 300-acre cage. If he wants to, and that's a big part. Well, I have a friend who hunted in Texas at a ranch that has 10,000 acres fenced in. off this land but we're just keeping people out.

2:45:13 Put up the fence to keep me out about the sign uh the sign said um anybody caught trespassing will be shot on sight you know it's Change your mind sometimes And they're killing cubs. on bears and the reason why they were doing it man you could go a fucking decade without seeing a bear in the woods meanwhile they're everywhere Like moccasins. Yeah, I mean, the pads.

2:47:43 jacking shit with all that noise. I think we should wrap this pitch up and bring it home. And today is about as good a day as you could get. That's what it's all about, really. All right, thank you, friends.