Joe Rogan Experience #845 — TJ Dillashaw, Duane Ludwig & Bas Rutten Transcript

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0:00 Yes! Slow down, Dwayne, slow down. You have an orange watch. You are a fucking... I absolutely love orange. I see some orange at a store, a crowd of people, I did my own thing. That is your own thing. Yes, sir. Orange is, I mean, it's like. I love it. I never really thought of that. Like you probably don't have to do road work. It'd be too much. I it might be too much?

1:38 Like Jeremy Stevens was on the podcast recently, like Stevens has been trying to drop weight and get smaller and it helps with his weight cut I'm I'd rather hit mitts and be aggressive. Haynes would do it. You know, just as hard as possible just to, just to do it. Yeah. My friend, ever seen an elk before folks an elk could weigh you know somewhere around 800 pounds

4:25 for 10 hours 12 hours a day for four days in a row yeah that's ninja that's a workout i feel like But he's got all these videos of him up there in the mountains. The ground's covered in snow. Australia. There was a grizzly there, and there's a lot of grizzlies in Montana. That is an enormous animal. That's his passion. like, if they're not steroids,

7:23 Oh, cool. I haven't really asked him too much about it. especially with the new guidelines, with the supplements, of Travis Brown's finger And she's an MMA photographer. It's like his finger has disappeared in the eyeball. He said he still couldn't see. Most of the time, this is what I do. I don't know if Bisping's came from a kick though. Well, what they did is they stuck oil in his eye. I don't fixed it enough to where he can fight, and then when he's done fighting, they'll probably fix his eye completely is what it seems like. Well, what they did is they stuck oil in his eye.

10:05 but it's just put an eye patch on yes sir I've seen that opening in Luke Rockhold's Instagram videos leading up to the fight. he didn't say he was gonna get knocked out with it but he saw some openings there you know openings But it's cool to see something you've trained multiple times come out and actually work and then win the fight and then the title fight.

11:32 and you're like, oh my god, this sport should be illegal. You spin them up like a web and they don't really don't know what the fuck to say. I go, oh, okay. And for me, it's just been kind of having fun out there. Yeah. from and you change them up next time and you uh come out there a little more level-headed and uh When you go and watch a fight after it's over,

14:39 an entire the entire fight just one takedown at the beginning of the first round i was all the Hitting and not getting hit or getting the takedown, not getting taken down, things like that, right? and then they don't go any further. that people who are casual people, like perfect example, the other day I was at my daughter's And we were going over this about it.

17:12 I see that. and they're expanding the potential of MMA I think you're one of those people He's got awesome timing. But what he does do is he throws him like Dominic Cruz where he's moving like a pendulum back and forth. He is trickier than I expected for sure. But the goal of MMA is for you to fuck up someone's body. close decision to him and then you beat hafael and sun tzau which in my opinion was uh we were

20:28 You know, I mean, I could be on 11 fight win streak right now and a split decision loss to in January, you know, where I think that's a... I'm a little bummed out they didn't get rid of the 12-6 elbow, but That stuff happens all the time, and now you're going to take away an elbow it's just some of the rules i think are a little bit archaic i think i think we all agree though

22:20 Just use those goddamn gloves. who's by far the most technical martial artist I've ever come across He makes all my with Trevor as a coach. or drills. That's so cool. It's the same things. You can put that same skill set and put that into martial arts or to developing technique or drills. So you guys are in Colorado now. going from Sacramento to Colorado, going back out there was so tough.

23:49 It's a racist thing to say, but in a positive way. at altitude when i'm done with my camp after i've been out there for six weeks i'm in a camp If you're sleeping at really high altitude, anything higher than where we're at, So what I had heard was that the best balance was training at sea level to going that hard, you know, but you train in lack of oxygen, you can't train as hard. So,

25:48 He was one of the first MMA fighters to incorporate that. They were called the Lone Wolf Invitational. That's how we came together. Like, we train with a lot of NFL players with Lauren Lindau in Denver. It's fun to watch. Yeah, you're going to be worn out. See, that's the theory, too, or the concept, technique to the point where it gets ridiculous.

28:41 Remember Paul Sass won 12 He's going to take her back. that they're actually thinking inside the fight Maybe later on, but yeah. Nice. Or out-grappers Gunnar Nelson that easy. People sleep on Jake Shields. So did Nate Marquardt. It's so tough. I mean,. He doesn't have to use any strength. It's just all about his positioning and the way he's on you. It's so tough.

31:16 We have both ways. A little bit of that, too. That's what has to happen. You know, just his fucking striking is just bizarre. hendrix got like stuck by it was a a hard shot, and he kind of acknowledged it, Yes, that's a dream fight. making it happen. 38? That's the old man. I mean, fuck. I'd love to see that. Yeah, good point. It's just fucking crazy how technical he is when it comes to his jiu-jitsu.

34:05 You know, people forget how goddamn good Nate, Yeah, yep. And I hear Shane Carwin's making a comeback. I'm not sure. Yeah. Yeah. sure you're taking care of your partner and learn using this time to improve and get better the Control the fire. How am I waking up in the morning, and how am I feeling? and redlining my body. They've cut weight for the longest amount of time,

37:28 And the, the, the, the foods that they're feeding you are the right thing for your endocrine hormones so a lot of coconut oil a lot of avocados saturated fats from healthy meats especially like depends where i'm at but yeah you know i'd say on average three times a day so your body's just a Yeah, I mean, obviously I'll do deadlifts and stuff but it all depends on the reps you're doing really

39:31 And then like big breaks in between sets? so that's not that much not 15 pounds. It seems like a lot to people listening probably, but we know guys who are losing 25, 30. Have you thought of that? You know, he's so good that I would love to fight him. Is he? But I read something today. I forgot about that, but I read something today about him fighting Wilson

41:37 Endless cardio, punching from all angles. You'd have to go to Anderson versus Rich Franklin. He's firing them off with no hesitation. crazy to watch. It's like, Jesus Christ, like these things are coming. They're, they're landing like that. They're fine. It looks like a real fucking problem when you're in there with them. As the game plan so it's very smart of him then also obviously he did it with the correct timing and accuracy

43:30 He did a few times back in the past. but Benavides is coming out to Colorado in about one week. It's good. Yeah. He is really good. Because now, obviously, on the podcast. but to help uplift and inspire and help people become better human beings. my my ocd-ness into developing others like that's literally what it is i'm obsessed with it and I love it.

46:21 it's a win win. of joy and i love that isn't it funny that that passion and that intensity and focus has a negative well. if they can, if they need to, by either talking about it, trying to diffuse He's here. Ladies and gentlemen the great boss rooting is here I remember the first time ever going to Dwayne's house in the past as nanny dogs. Tell them the story that you pretty much went naked.

49:43 So the story would prove your point correct. Anyways, I run outside with my towel on I'm in the back naked just rolling with the dog and separating them and making sure everything is good. It's always nice to feel wanted. I had two females that fought to So we're good. they're like chicks together they go together and one of them my wife comes back for she went out with uh women. There's always stress, like, oh, so-and-so has cancer, so-and-so has this.

52:24 Oh, they read on the internet. Oh,'s got chronic fatigue syndrome oh they read oh yeah the good positive stuff sort of evolutionary path that women get together and talk a lot like that's one of the reasons why And also, they would fuck up hunting parties. take care of kids, but they can do anything. so if something happens in a great well maybe training

54:12 She fought me. the traits and characteristics of men you know it's and uh some of them want to and i understand And then when you see that, and then when it comes to the military, it's very difficult to say, oh, women shouldn't be on the battlefield. people. They'd probably think it would be a lot of fun. I say, well, that's your job right now as well.

55:42 might literally be the memory of your ancestors. like someone you know in like someone your ancestors know died in front of them got You don't know where they're going. and this guy came back twice. Sorry, I should have been laughing. If you say four in the rooting system, it's jab, cross, hook, cross. fantastic trainer like one of the most underrated guys in the business he rashad evans told me that

57:58 the numbers all the time. We do his own academy, which he teaches the basic stuff. the deckers like stuff like that the tyson and the deckers those things kind of tied There's like 50 shots in a row With the Tyson, he's following the hooks up with coming to the body and then the uppercut. It is really exciting. It's the dumbest thing there is. I said, you just gave the answer.

1:00:13 It's becoming a real sport. Because that does not happen to me. He has a good cardio because he doesn't calm down. He's always doing something, always crazy. He wants to go 100% all the time. Like, give me some time. No, no, it wasn't. don't listen to their corners. but once there is a trust, that's probably going to work. No, no, no. You hear like this loud voice.

1:03:36 Yeah. The reason why I brought that up about You know, but it's all connection. And for fighters, it's really a problem when you build a relationship with the wrong trainer, That's all I say. You know, you just got to be honest. When you have a great racehorse you know everything becomes so I've got to pump the guy up maybe a little bit, is protected and i go yeah no that's an idiot exactly you know who does that yeah i see that

1:06:37 Yeah, it just stopped him. I said, I want to feel it. Yeah. He's got his own dead face. control ourselves good job. or the way Connor by the time they actually met each other inside the octagon. And it's the same with Steve. Everybody is intimidated by Overeem, and you should be because he's a monster. say is a good thing, because I said the same thing against

1:08:53 You know, there's the whole doubt thing that goes on in the mind. but then the audience started cheering Did you ever use any psychological training? I'm not nervous. Submission. just care. Remember last time I told the story You guys fight, and when you come out, I'm going to do everything in my power to win, The only thing we're going to change are the heights.

1:11:08 Body, head, body. Just, you know, keep it simple. And once you liver shot. No, that's not a liver shot. That's the body. Just keep it simple. He'd throw a lot of kicks. And then he moved to Jackson's. camps. Most of the time, and this is what combination, don't break it. And it's the same with your team. That was working. teach straight out two times a week go anywhere you want any gym I don't mind

1:13:33 Perfect example is Duke Rufus, who's a great coach. He wants him to grow and so he's like, yes, please go do this. right now. oriented camp that's what i always say you got the striking that's when i decided okay this is it You're getting to see the same Wonder Boy that was, I think he was was like 57 and 0 as a kickboxer something fucking crazy like that and you see those skills now because good luck

1:15:47 the distances right and then using the switches because of the further distance so you got to outside yeah you know and i mean they just haven't figured the distance out or the difference in the got awesome takedown defense and takedowns and also i really firmly believe there's something you know i can't i'm not going out and having fun with my friends because i'm wrestling and

1:17:55 and then you're learning how to compete on your own every weekend. Because you're not going to fight with them on. So it's the difference between grappling with a gi and no gi? Is it that kind of a thing? That's interesting. shoes again wrestling ever since grappling but don't you think the the the injuries the twisting where you just whip your leg out.

1:20:46 is really hard to finish and I can wrist ride differently. that it would be And the breaking hands. I'm hitting that as hard as I can, I have to hit it correct. I have to have the right knuckle On the other side, you know, hitting a bag. So yeah, if you do it perfect, and the impact is perfect, but as soon as you hit and you slide a little bit and you shave a knuckle off,

1:22:57 And it's so difficult to figure out who's right. Yeah, I mean, it'd be so much easier to sink chokes Who decides, for you, who decides when you're doing strength and conditioning, right way and how i feel personally it's all trial and error um you know where i'm at right now i i because, you know, you lose a fight and then you go, God, what did we fuck up on?

1:24:57 to fight in two weeks and it was against Jonathan Goulet. for that one. Yes, sir. Mr. Rogan, thank you, sir. That was sick. We played it over and over and over again. he's going to come up straight forward. I have one time I say, with Jens Pulver, Don't you think it's kind of data chunking? Like you just know, just for whatever reason. I could do this too.

1:27:00 I don't know if he called it. It was way too slow, and they saw it coming. He threw it right before against Rockhold and missed, I think he had an 18-pack for that fight, man. And then he knocked him out. Well, figuring out what they're gonna do but in that same theory is paying attention to what But it's probably because he had practiced it and drilled it to the point

1:29:21 I'm a great visual learner. that we're going to see Do that, that fight's going to be over. But a clothesline, if you really do it, they can cover up with their hands, but you're still going to hit them. head kick, a lot of times it's landing but he would hit his hook almost to the back of the head. Jamie, find that because it's such a crazy combination.

1:31:16 Right there. And just like what you said before kick. Come on. It's a misconception of he will kick him out. He's going to knock him out. Boom! Look how he does it. in the clinch with the knee. If you realize when he's in the clinch, he'll block the shoulder and almost pull his hand down for him. This is a complete animal, man. Yeah. it's a different kind of muscle it almost looks like.

1:33:26 That's a hard part of the world. Vandele would mean mug everybody and it would work. more than that one time. and a guy who was a legit K-1 level striker. And I'm not even there. MMA, whereas maybe like But some of these guys with the left kicks, if they're the orthodox, they can't kick. Well when croak up gets a full blast kick you're gonna be forced to block and then you can counter

1:36:00 against Fujiwara I would say him and then I would say Rick Rufus. again Mexican because he used to I saw him in Holland Everybody's for Spang. In the third round. And now Benny the Jet starts coming back. It was the craziest thing. Jason Willis knocked out Simon Marcus. He lost to Schilling in that crazy fight where they went that extra round, and the referee gave him a real questionable standing eight count.

1:38:44 Like, they're saying that the ropes held him up. Badr Hari is one of the scariest motherfuckers to ever walk the face of the planet. I go, don't do it in Morocco, dude, Okay, okay, sorry. Stories like that, you have many of them from him. There's not enough eyes on it. Who are complaining Knockout ratio Why why no elbows? I'm not a big fan of elbows just because of the cuts it cuts too easy

1:41:16 Why would you eliminate one of the best weapons in striking, which is elbows? I'm not trying to be in there anymore at all. Because the guys who are good at those clinch battles, they just start fucking blasting each other with knees to the body and it has a significant toll. It was nice to get it from an actual pure Muay Thai fighter to see his look and his perspective of what can happen in the clinch elbow knee techniques it was nice to get it from an actual pure muay thai

1:42:51 Yeah. His father is the boss of the MMA system also. start competing too young he competed when he was 15, 16 Ronda Rousey. So I go, yeah, I want to see to your nerves, But competing, Even doing those things at a young age, I'm putting so much pressure on myself. you're going through some uh brain trauma but but even with the wrestling and jujitsu make sure it's

1:44:55 A.K.A. they get injuries and injuries there decide your great sparring partner doesn't show yeah what did you think about cowboy Cerrone deciding no more sparring he If you're going to fight, well, then you're going to have to fight in training, typical pattern the jab the cross the rear low kick learning how to deal with those things in Yeah, I think Cowboy also had an issue

1:47:02 You know, you got to go into a fight Right body, left hook, right high kick. And the technique, the technical shot, it dug in there. Yeah. Right? And then wrap it up with the high kick. I loved it. And the technique, the technical aspect, there was no wind up. And he was so wrapped up into his own style. But, you know, he went down to Jackson's and look what he's done.

1:48:10 Jesus, I don't even know if I can fucking help this guy? The game has changed. It was a great time when we were together. So it was a good time. He's always there on time. they can call you at 3 o'clock That's it. Sorry. Hey, man, come on, sit down. fucking 100 miles an hour. What do you think? I've dedicated my life to the arts. So it's fun. He has a system and one of the things that I learned when I was training with him

1:51:37 He's so good at breaking things down and being able to film it and show it to people I love it. I might be just doing it for myself, I love it. And the show also is great. And we showed the Fabrizio Verdum, Travis Brown eye poke. Did you see that? Have you seen it? Yeah, I heard about it. It's just a fun show. Boss, before you got here, we were talking about eye pokes. And we showed the Fabrizio Verdum, Travis Brown eye poke.

1:53:15 I think penalties. it won't happen in training, right? Toenail, yeah. Toenail, but still, you know. Holding pads for somebody. Holding pads. You know, with a nail. It was a foot nail, okay, but still, No, and say, 10%, yeah. One point, either way. Yes, sir. Yeah, for sure. Yes, sir, right then he knows how it feels and hopefully he's gonna stop but Christoph is two nights of a guy he didn't do it there's a few fights where you go oh i gotta wonder why not

1:55:50 And it kicks straight up If they would point to the side Yeah. So I fight Rene Rose. And I'm shouting, let go, let go, let go. Now, he brought all his friends. I see the chair. He bit straight through my ear, a hole in there. That wasn't it. Yeah, that's right. What's his name? Yeah, the judo guy. Apparently that guy was fucking with Henzo, kept calling his room. I. From Holland. Spikers. Spikers. Ben Spikers. Ben Spikers. Yeah, the judo guy.

1:58:17 Yeah. Right to the base of the skull. Just duct tape around it. And, you know, you can cover that shit up all you want. That was, I think, the same. Erickson and they fought But they did rounds. An enormous wrestler. He had to tap him twice. Same as the referees, especially Dean and Big John, they're so invested. Herb Dean had over You're doing a good job.

2:01:23 you know who was really good Well, he went away for selling weed, and he had kind of a little bit of an arsenal. It's unfortunate. train in the field. Fabrizio threw a punch with his finger thing where Fabrizio threw this punch Scroll up though I wanted to give him another kick in the head And you know, another one, And then I liver kick him again.

2:04:01 So there's Master Tong. But then he looks at Dwayne and he goes, bird. Talking fast. I'm like, what the hell? I'm going out to my fight. Where's Master Tong's nowhere to be found I'm like what the hell I'm going out to my fight where's Master Tong That's a great reason I don't know, man. for the decisions. And no one knows if this actually happened, right?

2:06:44 And then after the fight, which apparently he gambled against favor i'm leaving the hotel to Oh, Dwayne. I got genuinely mad because he's being lazy ass and asking me for money. super structured and gonna like he maybe it's like his understanding of english you know he He was my first trainer and I picked up on It's a problem, man. He was at a gym in Texas.

2:08:59 Faber went in that fight with a hurt hamstring, Allegedly, who knows Listen, dog, you know and I know that you came to that fight a little fucked up. They don't. I know he supports his family and stuff, but he should have been a lot more well-off than Let them be good habits. Or poker for that matter I used to do it all the time I can't affect the outcome

2:10:57 The best is when the time when Diego Sanchez won a fight, he tried to call you out at UFC 200 he put it on his Instagram. send me videotapes from the East Coast He said, yeah, thank you very much. And Martin Kampman, who fought at 185, was a big fucking guy for 170. If every fight was 100 rounds long, Fuck you, Donald Trump. Oh, that's good. Fantastic endurance. He always had a crazy cardio. Fuck you, Donald Trump.

2:13:01 And a lot of his fights were there as well. Because you should be training there. Do you remember the second UFC there when everybody ran out of gas? Oh, yeah. Yes, sir. Yeah. Oh, those poor was. Do you remember Ben Rothwell and Mark Hunt in Colorado? Oh, yeah. Yeah. He's like for trains are nice yeah i see that three years wow yeah well full potential go from the 99 that you

2:15:19 You can't think straight. extreme elevation. I mean if you if you're on the undercard you making you know, what's like the lowest paid guys in the UFC make? Because a lot of people say, oh, this product, you know, it mimics high altitude. and you have, like, different filters on it too, right? where it's proven that only patient and I realized that after an asthma attack

2:17:23 I went to the doctor's office So unknowingly, I made my whole lung system, my inspiratory system stronger. And once you feel that you get the same trainers. I love the product. So what is But breathing in is also done with that. Wow. and then you can breathe out with your own mouth. and forces you to breathe into one side. Always had an inhaler with me, because if I would sneeze, for instance, very aggressively three times, my lung would close.

2:20:15 what I wanted to say is what he does, he lets You do 30 repetitions in the morning. 30 repetitions, and after that, lungs cannot freely inhale anymore because you're pushing them backwards with your core. But you saw guys, because if you use steroids, you pump much harder, right? After six weeks, you increase your whole respiratory system. You're going to...

2:22:28 There's still air in there because they can completely empty their lungs. The site crashed because we swamped it? We swamped your site, Boss. You swamped my site. Boom. Nice. Selling some O2trainer.com. The site crashed right now. Oh, okay. So the site crashed because we swamped it? Dude, I'm buying one of these. All right. Huss, I didn't get to do this.

2:23:31 That's it.