Joe Rogan Experience #914 — Ryan Callaghan & Kenton Carruth Transcript

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0:00 That's why you have a producer. Jamie's on the ball. I'm here with my good pal Ryan Callahan. you started out with merino wool which i think uh before i went with uh ryan and steinella, I really had no idea about the properties of merino wool. Like, oh, what's going on there? it retains 80 of its heat yeah it's amazing it's amazing stuff and is there a synthetic uh material

2:48 So the thing that loves water is going to pull moisture off, and the thing that hates skin and can dry out that stuff better. uh, hunting clothing. work great, but it wasn't until we kind of started using Merino that we found that was a big deal you know because you could wear it for days and days and so that was like, whoa, that was a big deal, you know, because you could wear it for days and days. And so that was kind of the impetus. And at the same time, it started taking over,

5:37 What these bills are about is they're about selling off our public land, giving the states the ability to do whatever they want with it. Like backcountry hunters and anglers have that great shirt that I wear all the time. But I didn't know that this public land system even existed. I mean you guys are in Idaho and you're in the boondocks, man. I mean, you guys are in Idaho, and you're in a beautiful area,

7:53 So it's a wild chunk of ground. Once that's gone, it's gone. Yeah. I mean, and there are regulations that live there, making sure that no one is breaking any of the laws. I mean, it's really That's right. It is not arbitrary. There's some smart folks out there that study the impact of man on the land and they want to try to keep that pristine experience that we all love to go find there for everybody.

11:00 all of a sudden, you know, and then hunting, of course, it's huge, but you just see it from all angles, like places that where you recreate 365 days a year, all of a sudden to start to get sucked up. and you just look at the massive amount of land we occupy now, is it trepanga tapanga canyon yeah yeah um and i was like oh there's a good looking house and i was

12:31 It said open space. This space is still open. Right now, I mean, it would trick you. Yeah, I bet he had. right is that right no we're gonna have to google that up i'm i'm not real good on some of the nuts and bolts. Jamie will get it for us. But 621 was basically to authorize the sale of pre-approved lands, Yeah, 3.3 million acres. And then as soon as people found out about this bill his comments on his instagram page were just

15:43 the Gritty Bowman, Rinella, I got involved. There lot of people involved and there's a lot of different you know you look Didn't he propose selling it off to pay some some of the land off to pay for the debt? I mean, it's an amazing system that we have here. fail it's like a booby trap it's like all right now we're gonna pull you know all this all these

18:20 I mean, that guy's going to look at your cross-eyed. Bureau of Land Management. revenue focused than um your forest service lands are so bl BLM is more focused towards grazing. Yeah. And you'd be stalking on a mule deer, and these fucking cows were everywhere. and we found that in montana as well yep and we just let their cows wander all over the place

22:03 But you got to keep in mind, man. for some things, but, you know, oftentimes your upland birds need open areas for, you know, picking up scratch and it's better for the bugs and a number of reasons. It's Montana, Wyoming. And they're also going to open up block management on that, right? and buying up private land that's right now being used for whatever,

25:03 Yeah, I mean, they literally are trying to make more public land, which is kind of crazy. Does the APR intend to reintroduce predators such as wolves, grizzly bears, augmented by the will of the general public. getting funneled down in the missouri breaks which you know is historic range for them and uh with wolves where it's a real love-hate could hunt wolves, and before it was

27:15 I'm not positive when it started. Just like with beef, man. mean i've seen this it's in my happening in my neighborhood like as we speak there's wolves in They don't run. Elk, traditionally, before people came around, there's a debate as to whether or not they were mountain animals at all, right? It is so fucking disturbing. Rats, like, they're gross.

30:08 It all came from rats, yeah. the the trap and they go yep i thought something was fucked up about that let's get out of here You would think, oh, a little sweetie. Brian Callen on the way. These little fuckers are monstrous, man. They don't eat them, though. Ventura Boulevard. I couldn't help myself. We're going to have a possum, man. I'm in LA and I grabbed a possum.

32:47 And they just figured it out. There's not that much air. Let's go higher. The wolves are super smart, right? They's go up here. It's hard for them to go up here. They get tired. There's not that much air. So what it is is the wildlife biologists, and this is a really controversial topic, fucking attack things they roll in at least like four to you know a pack of four small i mean yeah

34:07 But it is, it's interesting to me But nice, they are not. And it's not like this furry kind of thing. They're, creatures, and they can do amazing things. They can travel amazing distances. Mm-hmm. my friend mike hawkridge up there we uh came across a kill it was pretty fresh it was a uh you can shoot as many wolves as you want. They're constantly under threat of these wolves.

36:37 I mean, that easily could have been the end of him. but typically if there's a really, really long hunting season on something, it means that hunters are doing a really bad job of filling their tags. of the year and the truth of the matter is is hunters myself included are doing a very, very poor job of putting a tag on these things. i was screwed right um but it was amazing the vocal range is unbelievable what kind of look

39:13 and that is the closest i have ever gotten to killing a wolf in idaho and saw it for maybe a They're going to eat as many elk as they can, as many deer, Yeah. a lot of sun the heavy winters like we're experiencing right now these animals are because you got a tiny dick why would you want to kill a wolf they're beautiful magnificent Do you know that?

42:42 you know how much of it you know obviously when you're dealing with something from 1400, there's no were getting killed by wolves in Russia. somewhere in the middle, there's a right thing to do. And I think that that needs to be realized. Well, you can go to Yellowstone, and I went this summer, and you go and see a herd of buffalo just chilling on this field.

44:31 They'll never forget it. No one tells them what to do. Get lost. I was trying to tell him how many get hit by cars like with the way less of them. Interesting. We have zero light pollution, right? I mean, the office is just under 7,000 feet. You feel good. Right. Well, it's got to be because you're dehydrated too, which is the big factor in being hungover

48:14 So you do a shot and fucking chug the water like he was really consciously to catch him, so he used to, and we'd hear stories Throws sidekicks off the roof and shit? It's just straight north of Ketchum. Oh, yeah. Well, then it got down to like nine, you know? You could die, and it doesn't give a fuck. You would fall dead dead and everything would go

51:09 tree went on a do-it-yourself hunt in montana an archery uh elk hunt and he went i think he went It's not his job to be fit. Little bit of meat and his entire camp out on the first trip. That's three loads of just meat 80 pounds load help him. This guy helped him pack out antiquus, all There's plenty of ludicrous. your dog dies out there it's not going to waste something will eat it yes and it is that is the

53:51 Bacteria, bugs, everything, and it'll be gone. That's so important to post too because and I think so too. And I That was the worst thing to be And, like, the rib meat chunks, especially later in the season when there's not a lot of fat on these animals, like, if it's going to take you some time to get out, that's the stuff that's going to get super dried out before you can even make something out of it.

55:44 like that's one of the ways that they Unfortunately, maybe Jamie can find it. so they had set up this whole way to keep the wolves away And this huge wolf is in front of him, baring his teeth. I mean, he's got to, like, hope that this wolf does not decide to attack him. In a bad way. Lots of calves on the ground. there's salmon everywhere. And as the guy pans away, he goes, get out of here, bear. And the bear

59:07 This is it. Did he contact you? I mean, he's got a big fat belly. And you 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14. So it was three of us in the canoe. He's like, what are we doing here? So it was like a line. Like, you can't ensure that these things are going to have an adequate food supply, You know what I mean? places like New Zealand are so odd because they brought over incredibly odd they brought over

1:03:23 They have to fly over it. no predators. For the English or something? So they put these animals there, but then there's nothing killing them other than people. Kenton's been over there. They said, we'll see you in a couple days? So we got down and, you know, and just made our way out. No, no. So that night we got out. Which is how they score all that stuff.

1:05:35 So it's like a 400 inch elk. Yeah. Isn't it? How, you know, I feel like you should, I mean, this is totally ignorant on my part and very Yeah. 8 000 meters like they might sit there and you know go on the treadmill every single day and Jesus Christ, this is hard to do. Every 1,000 feet. You come down to sea level and for me, I'm like, running this has been running for a while now i don't really feel anything yeah

1:08:22 you're kind of yeah i think yeah i think they say that the best way to do it is actually to train at low altitude but to You get more work in. You can, a certain amount of tired, you start making errors champions i mean unless you're some physical freak who can get away with it. The reality is, in order to compete against like-minded people that are also phenomenally fit and motivated and understand the consequences of not being fit and motivated and well-trained, you have to do everything right.

1:10:34 things that people do. Sauna. That's another thing that a lot of guys do. All those different Well, there's no – that's the problem. Yeah. I thought that was a training thing, was like, stay away from a little fucked up, which happens a lot. Well, a lot of fighters do think that, though. He was like, that's both here. He's not known to be a wordsmith either.

1:12:56 show, right? Sort of, yeah. Like just But anyway, your testosterone a little bit, is like, Now, think about the anxiety of releasing a perfect arrow on a beautiful animal. here and the, you know, the, the responsibility of making a perfect shot and a clean kill it's a very anxiety-filled moment i i missed the largest mule deer in my life this year with a rifle at 90 yards no way largest

1:15:54 Yeah, basically, you know, big river crossing, big climb, just stare at this hillside kyler leaves to go take a shit and yeah four hours later there's a buck crosses and i can't get a range on my range finder it's too A smaller buck, yeah. you would think of like a young fork buck And so it's a good animal to take out of the gene pool Smart. He's like, listen, bitch. Yeah. he was going the opposite direction. Smart.

1:18:42 I mean, a shot I can make any day of the week. I know exactly. As soon as his nose came into the scope, I pulled the trigger. How big he was. For me, yes. Yeah, it's super rare, right? you don't for a lot of places like where i just said the arizona strip the arizona strip is like Like you could put in for 20 years and still not get it. We shoot a ton.

1:21:41 Yeah. right? body just knows automatically like when i was competing there was moments where i did something in six months, you know, once trip and it happens all the time you go you'll be out there for days and days and days you place that you have never been before you're not sure what's going on, Yeah, or stab you with his antlers. season in five is the national average that's why cam haynes is such a

1:24:59 So when I see people on like his Instagram page going, it takes no skill. really good at this you know and it's like it's almost like a robotic action when it's the craziest thing guys that are really good at this you know and it's Now, imagine you're in some foreign land, I'm not sure where he's out of. He's got this whole system that he's put together, and I actually paid for it and watched it.

1:27:32 while this guy's shooting in his car window and glass is flying and bullets are flying at him Your heart goes a million miles an hour. mind from the equation. Like figure out a process of training where you know what to do. Like Yeah. Or if you don't pull it back far enough, you goof up. Yeah, where he is just, you know, a genius. So they'd hook the string with their thumb and then close their index finger over it.

1:30:29 He'll say he's not a historian. episode on the Mongols, and he said that their bows were like 160 pounds raw. They were just and for some reason they found that to be a better method. You can see that. It's not dissimilar to a modern release, right? or it's one that John Dudley put out called the Silverback that I really prefer. concentrate on the muscles that are in the center of your back

1:32:56 and concentrating on those muscles in the center of your back and your scapula Joel Turner has the same approach and even talks about it when it comes to compound bows to try to people like what the fuck are you rambling about what i'm trying to rambling about It doesn't exist. It is. Is that me or is the bow out of tune did my string stretch cam timing and twisting your strings?

1:35:45 plus you know you get to a point where a modern compound bow if you practice a lot meaning for could shoot a lot further but i mean the groups that he would put in at 106 yards were amazing I mean, Cal's killed a bull both years with his trad. It's interesting. It is so relaxing. You go shoot for 20 minutes, 30 minutes, and you're done. And you don't think about nothing but that shot.

1:38:51 so like instead of using a sight you're sort of like calculating in your mind the drop of the three more bulls that day but the bull that kenton got a shot at, he would have shot four times before it ultimately came I mean, it was like this close. I would have not had that same experience. i didn't have a shot um and then it went and looked and i missed it i'll never forget that

1:40:59 It's one of the things that I talked about with Jason Hairston from Kuyu, we were talking about the difference between like mountaineering and hunting. Yeah, I mean, there's very little reference, right? There's certain words, like there's no words for a giant mushroom trip. Like, yeah, you can definitely see colors. I think that's the case with so many experiences in life.

1:43:26 It's one of the things that I describe to people. like, what are you and what are you doing? Cause we probably never seen a person before. He's like, what the fuck is that? They have a really good Instagram page that has a bunch of different examples of different states of the sheer volume of money that comes in because directly because of hunting and fishing and it's

1:45:57 It's an amazing system. Sounds like a pervert. Big in that Boulder community, right? and you're getting to your goal, and maybe you're snapping a picture or spending a night, Like when you leave, as soon as you get off the trail, you're just like, you know, hopefully you hear something or you see something or you smell something. And so they were a fairly common occurrence to see.

1:48:18 They're killing a pretty small number, right? There was a depredation order on a mountain lion up in the Malibu mountains that had killed glory-killing spree. Wait, so in California You hear about them eating people fairly often out here, huh? You know, we're not sticking to a game plan. So I feel like I get a little torque sometimes where people think oh well

1:50:40 Yeah, backcountry hunters and anglers. Teddy Roosevelt Conservation Partnership does a phenomenal job. land if you never leave downtown LA, so many discussions these days about where your food comes from. There's no better way to find And the fact is, is that you can. And that's what killed HR 621. It's a giant issue. But no, that's not that's one.

1:55:05 that you can change you know what i mean it's like if you you need it's not a part it shouldn't be a Yeah, isn't that weird? It has been just like a picture of a steak for years. No, they're dead. You know, the Planning 2.0, just a terrible name, not sexy at all, but that is the new management plan for Bureau of Land Management. And, by the way, Backcountry Hunters and Anglers has a form that you could fill out on their site.

1:57:29 Frank Church. And like we said, state gets in trouble, they sell those lands. is because i had this opportunity to go out and chase animals and and if i saw a horizon line i And he went out there and he was shooting deer and getting people food because people were starving. Carving a steak literally there at dinner dinner and he's like well that's You have the food.

2:00:13 Loading it into the truck, hoisting it up. this is what we're going to be making knickers yeah you know it's like this it's like this like Yeah. same experience then right and on our side we are constantly like analyzing our clothing and analyzing our days and we're getting to be but the idea is to send to send them to people that use them in tons of different environments

2:03:21 what you mean is some guys have public profiles and some guys, they just stay under the radar. But the amazing thing about us and one of the things that I love Nobody does that. hunting is quite different than hiking right like hiking people want to build the lightest thing and a 16 penny hammer? It's like, no, you need to be able to do everything with, you know,

2:05:38 Don't go to that. But Texas hunting is very strange. there are in all of the wild of the world really Really? Yeah, really. Oh, tell me that's not true. You just can't have weed. It's awesome. privately owned big cats including tigers lions and cougars currently living in captivity in the Like a live cow? Yeehaw! These cats tend to mind me even though I use no discipline, he says.

2:08:44 No. no. So I wonder, it must be if you have a high fence, What do they call them in New Zealand? I'm sure it's happened. I have a whole bit about it, man. We wouldn't have jobs, man. Little high school girls? Like, I had a conversation with one of the, you know, Sitka, Maybe that's where that grew from. We're very friendly with anybody. other people that are doing what you're doing and say these fuckers are trying to get us and we need a fucking yeah, but the competition is good

2:12:28 loose. Like, when you're walking in them, Like, whether it be from Patagoniaagonia right yeah everything um and you know you get to Absolutely. cold out and my wife was like what a skiing jacket i'm like it's a first light jacket bitch And I'm like, this jacket's amazing. yeah are we doing that when are we doing that here's some time out okay well it's hard to give So we were talking about elk hunting in Idaho. Yeah.

2:14:50 Everybody's bitching at me. What happened? You're lucky. She's over the fucking house, too. oh i don't know you know we just uh we just have to be concerned with what what we say doesn't No, but they're, you know, they're into their extreme sport. And somebody's got a guinea pigot. they were getting mad at people for cooking other cultures dishes like people got so politically

2:18:09 And it's intent that's important. You're saying someone's a fucking knucklehead. And people can't wait to say them, the more you're going to give those words power. True. And people are going to, they can't wait to say them. If a chick gets crazy, you're like, listen, cunt. You can call us dicks all day long. still don't use it. But like any cable show they use that now. All I know

2:19:38 Just go feral. Does he have a collar? He's just out there. He's doing whatever he wants. Shut his fucking phone off. Hilarious guy. I haven't talked to him. I don't know where the fuck he is. You call It is. He went straight NV1. He can do whatever he wants. I'm still alive. We can, I mean, where we are, it is narrow valley, public land everywhere.

2:22:06 And I need it. Well, that's the constant dilemma amongst a lot of hunters, especially the really Or should I say trail cred? We were talking about the Werner Herzog documentary You start patting yourself. through another misconception every time a hunter goes into the woods something dies that's what i they're like you know you go out there and you shoot these animals i go no you go out there

2:24:36 like each hunt, at least five days Like nothing. It's hard. They've eaten bear, elk. They've been skiing since they were two. Yeah. again. And the more firsts you can have in this life, same shit over and over again and life becomes mundane and life becomes tired. look over the ridge and see a bear i'm'm like, whoa, the fuck is that? Just try that.

2:27:35 hard it is but baby steps man go do it go do it first time one of the most fulfilling things i It doesn't sound like a real animal. Jamie, cue up But this is a 1,000-pound forest horse. What a crazy animal. Mean the things that are keeping those things alive are the money that comes from hunting We landed. Guys going out with low-profile boats with cannons on them,

2:30:59 cannon off shoot this cannon and then and that's how the Chesapeake Bay Retriever was basically bred into existence, had to be guide dogs or guard dogs rather and they also had to be retrievers yes whoa yeah whoa and Yes. that we could eat they shot. So like right now, let's say in the state of Idaho, we could all put in, you know, don't understand the process.

2:33:43 Yes. complaints yeah they're uh but they put a Do you know how amazing that is? I can very, more than willing to spend more than 17 bucks on the potential, the thrill of the excuse to go hunt for a month. fish like basically anything that's not a draw. Yeah, and I truly like it because it spreads out the pressure. They're doing really well in the areas that they're doing well in.

2:37:55 identifies those uh grazing allotments um and most of them are on public land. And he identifies the conflict of grazing allotments, mostly for bighorn sheep, So they're using the brucellosis as an excuse to say that this is the reason But yeah, the bison one is, you know, I got a big eastern Montana family. directly impact your livelihood but i think just as we were talking about earlier man there's some

2:40:21 a beautiful spot. It is. You know, there's all sorts of diseases and there's all sorts of lawsuits going on. You ever see this fucking Gasland documentary where it's coming right out of the tap do you need to have in Oklahoma before It's fine. Mind-blowing, yeah. got, I don't know, six, seven, eight massive swarm of humans or eight Yeah, you have to be.

2:44:28 People from New York definitely talk faster. Like, there's a... Opponents likely to appeal. Libtards. i see guys like you that Too late in the road, right? It means like close that space, you know? and start the whole campaign all over again Is it firstlighthunting.com or firstlight.com? See ya.